Re: Undefined behaviour [was Re: The D Programming Language]

"Andrei Alexandrescu (See Website For Email)" <>
12 Dec 2006 17:22:21 -0500
Francis Glassborow wrote:

In article <>, "Andrei Alexandrescu
(See Website For Email)" <> writes

I don't know. The proofs I can understand concern single-threaded
execution. Multithreaded execution follows different formalisms. The
example above turns out to be an easy particular case, because both 0
and 42 have the same type.

Indeed, it becomes real fun when:

given that x is a reference to a base type in Java (or is a pointer to a
base type in C++)

thread 1:

x = new derived1;

thread 2

x = new derived2;

That's still easy because x has the same static type. Proving that a
sound program using a type stays sound when using a subtype instead is easy.

Stuff that is atomic is not of much concern. The hard part is figuring
out ordering of complex operations.

Whilst I have reservations as to the validity of proofs even in single
threaded programs (try reading Proofs and Refutations by Lakatos -- for a review
-- for some understanding as to how difficult it is to go from spec to
proof without a process of continual refinement) I am certain that we
have nothing that works for multi-threaded programs.

I'm not that sure. What happened to all that great work on Java's memory
model (the one that also serves as a reference for C++'s memory model
work)? All experts seem to find it a good piece of work. I'm no expert,
so I'm not a good assessor. But at least I'm not certain we have nothing.


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