Re: A suggestion

From:
Michael Doubez <michael.doubez@free.fr>
Newsgroups:
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++,comp.lang.c++
Date:
Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:50:48 -0800 (PST)
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On 14 jan, 21:13, =D6=F6 Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> wrote:

On Jan 14, 12:11 pm, Michael Doubez <michael.dou...@free.fr> wrote:

On 13 jan, 20:28, "Paul" <pchris...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

An object is the concept of a data structure which consists of mem=

ber data

and member functions. This is as much a fact as the fact that the sky=

 is

blue.


No it is not, except in vulgarisation magazines. A more precise
definition is "an object is an instance of the data structure and
behaviour defined by the object's class". You cannot make abstraction
of the class concept, otherwise, you don't have the model for the
object's state, methods and interaction; even if the class is not
expressed by the language (in some languages where functions are in
fact data members, like in javascript).


 "A class" (like in class-based OO languages) makes no sense in
Javascript.


IIRC, in javascrpit OO works on the pattern

function MyClasse(parameter1, parameter2) {
    this.attribute1 = parameter1;
    this.attribute2 = parameter2;

    this.method = function() {
        alert("Attributs: " + this.attribute1 + ", " +
this.attribute2);
    }
}

var obj = new MyClasse("value1", "value2");
obj.method();

The class does exists although, like in mainy dynamic typing language,
it is not formalized at the language level.

When working on the DOM of a page, you still have to lookup the
members and the methods available at the nodes (in fact you do look up
the type of the node); that is the class.

Class is other (less flexible) concept than that language
supports. Javascript's prototypes are not classes. Objects have full
freedom to change their data model and behavior during their lifetime
(and may do same to other objects that they know of).


In theory, but in practice, if it they change their interface, they
become useless because you don't know what method you can call. I
won't start the dynamic typing vs static typing all over again, my
only point is that this feature is mainly useful at the development
stage, not at runtime (where a static typing language can then achieve
the same).

The objects of
Javascript are not forced to stay in prototype where they started in
and so they simply have no class.


They don't have to but, as I said, in practice you do.
As an example, in prototype.js you define classes (among other
things).

In fact, I don't see how you can speak about inheritance without class
and inheritance is (arguably) a base concept of OOP.

Actually, in the implementation, you can work with objects (like in
smalltalk where you can change base of an object, and I suspect
prototype.js does the same) but IMHO metaobjects are just an
implementation of classes.

--
Michael

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