Re: Trap representations producing Undefined Behavior

kingfox <>
12 May 2007 07:36:27 -0700
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I am new to this community. I have a doubt regarding trap

I read in IBM's website that something like this is legal:

int main(){
   int x=3;
      int x=x;


It said there that the scope of x in the inner block begins after the
initialization. So during the initialization process, the latter x in
"int x=x" refers to x in the outer scope. I understood that to an

But someone told me that something like this can produce Undefined

int main(){
   int x=3;
       int x=x++;


Why does this code snippet exhibit Undefined Behavior? I was told that
here x++ can prduce trap representation. I wasnt able to understand
that. According to me, the x++ refers to x in the outer scope. So why
can't this return the current value of x (in the outer scope) i.e. 3
and also increment it?

I don't know which compiler will make the latter x refer to outter
scope. I try three compiler (gcc, OpenWatcom, Borland C++ Builder),
they all treat the latter x as an uninitialized variable.

I was also told that something like this is well defined.

int main() {
struct X {X operator++(int) {return X();} } x;


x = x++ ==> x = X(); so, it's well defined.

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