Re: System.out and System.err

From:
Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:23:50 +0100
Message-ID:
<gc2lk1$6gj$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>
Andreas Leitgeb wrote:

Jan Thom?? <janthomae@janthomae.de> wrote:

On 2008-10-02 11:56:33 +0200, Andreas Leitgeb
<avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> said:

If (e.g. on unix) you start some java-application like this:

   java MyApp > /tmp/MyAppLog 2> /tmp/MyAppLog

(with ">", not ">>" !)
I could imagine that they might still overwrite each other, despite
being thread-safe each on its own.


Well but this is something completely out of the control of the
program.


Indeed it is. Let's recall Mike's words:
  ... the worst that will happen is output getting interleaved
       but not lost, ...


The output from the program isn't getting lost. It is getting lost *after* it
has left the program. You could just as easily redirect one of the channels to
the /dev/null bit-bucket and claim that demonstrated the output could get lost.

Now, depending on external conditions, the application itself
may overwrite its previous output to System.err by outputting
to System.out and/or vice versa.


You have not demonstrated that the program is overwriting its own output. That
is being done by shell redirection.

Output *can* get lost, while the application is still running,
and *without* anyone *else* removing or truncating the file at
the same time.


But someone else *is* doing it, the shell. The application is not even writing
to a file...

class Test {
    public static void main(String[] args)
    {
       System.out.print("@");
       for (char ch='a'; ch <= 'z';) {
          System.err.print(""+ch+ch); ch++;
          System.out.print(""+ch+ch); ch++;
       }
    }
}
// I was too lazy to look at the javadocs for String on how
// better to create a string of instances of a given char.

Let it run on console and you see each char twice, ditto
when redirecting >bar 2>&1, but if you redirect both
individually to the same file, then each but the z will
appear only once.

Blaming the program for this would be like blaming it for not
being able to write on a defective disc...

I didn't *blame* anyone or anything for anything.


But you ascribed the problem to the application, when the fault lies in shell
mis/redirection.

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