Re: Do you suggest me using IDE when I'm learning JAVA
On 01-05-2010 21:07, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Arne Vajh?j wrote:
On 29-04-2010 05:18, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Arne Vajh?j wrote:
On 28-04-2010 20:12, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Up until not so long ago I recommended making use of a text editor for
initial basic learning. Now that I've really thought it though, I
see no
point in using anything but a good IDE. An IDE provides assistance in
entering code, and there's nothing wrong with that.
There is nothing wrong with the code typing assistance.
But IDE from day 1 often result in people that do not know
anything about how to run things outside the IDE.
That's entirely possible, that some people will have barely any grasp of
how to work outside the IDE. If we discount developers leaving the IDE
fro time to time to use a word processor or web browser, and also
include the ability of the IDE to call up server consoles and what not,
then these days with the latest IDEs a person can likely get away with
using the IDE for everything and not suffer.
Oh - the developer may not suffer, but all the people that has
to do the final packaging, QA support and production support that
the developer can not help with because the does not understand
how the output of his development is used will suffer.
That's true, but that's still not the IDE's fault, because you can do
everything correctly from inside the IDE.
But there are often no IDE available at all on the test and
production systems.
If we're talking about J2EE apps, for example, and where I have the
power to make suggestions that are followed, I suggest (strongly) to the
development teams I advise that developers are 100% responsible for
ensuring that EARs deploy properly, whether in a CI environment in
development, or in testing. There are often unavoidable differences
between dev/test deployments and final production deployments, but we
try to minimize these so that ops support people have as little to do in
server deployment plans as possible. This way the developers are
accountable for everything about the packaged EAR.
To use Sun's terminology I prefer it when the developers are both the
"component providers" and the "application assemblers". And that in
their role as the assemblers they make sure that the "deployers" don't
waste time figuring out why class a.b.c.Whatzit isn't on the classpath.
I agree on that.
Which I think some command line knowledge is a must for developers.
Arne
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