Re: ultralog: new concept of logging API

From:
Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:23:44 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID:
<46043169-8d9f-45d7-a28a-09f9fdccab17@googlegroups.com>
Mikhail Vladimirov wrote:

Still not attributing quotes, I see.

[Lew wrote:]

In other words, no, no measurements.

 
I think that discussion about why one may want to make applications garba=

ge-free and why garbage-free applications may perform faster and how much f=
aster they can perform is off-topic here.

Of course it is, because you have no answer for this so you want to ban the=
 question.

You're not convincing me you're anything but a con artist with such tactics=
..

Once application is decided, for whatever reason, to be garbage-free, whi=

ch means that normal data processing flow in the application does not alloc=
ate any temporary objects, and once normal data processing flow involves lo=
gging, the application has to use some garbage-free logging solution, eithe=
r home-grown or third party. In this case mainstream logging frameworks si=
mply does not fit, because they are not garbage-free. Ultralog demonstrate=
s how API for garbage-free logging framework can be structured without sacr=
ificing code readability. It does not need to be faster than mainstream fr=
ameworks and switching to ultralog in application that is not garbage-free =
itself should not necessarily lead to performance benefit.

Why not? What other benefit does avoiding GC provide?

Performance tests I have shows that ultralog is usually not slower than S=

ystem.out.println() and is not slower than log4j.

That tells us nothing. What sort of "performance" tests? Under what protoco=
ls? And "not slower" than
'println()' is useless; we already know log4j is generally less impactful o=
n performance than the
'System.out' technique. "Not slower" than log4j, even if your tests are not=
 just crocks of porcine
excrement, is not impressive.

You have yet to tout a real benefit. You get diversionary when people ask a=
bout your benefits.
You were asked about "any impact" (beneficial or otherwise) and you chose t=
o interpret it as
a question about performance, then tried to claim that performance, the top=
ic you introduced,
was off topic.

And again, when potential users ask about things that matter to them, you t=
ry to tell them that
their concerns are not valid. That's shitty marketing.

I think that your product, far from being garbage free, is nothing but garb=
age, based on what
you've told us and how you disrespect us.

--
Lew

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