Re: Convert HTML to XML

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Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.spamfilter@virtualinfinity.net>

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Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:28:08 -0700

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Sherman Pendley wrote:

Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.spamfilter@virtualinfinity.net> writes:

Sherman Pendley wrote:

Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.spamfilter@virtualinfinity.net> writes:

Look into Tidy, it is a program (there is a Java interface to it too
if you don't want to use the command line). It will reformat HTML
into well-formed HTML. Modern HTML (aka XHTML) *is* XML. So you don't
need to convert it to XML and then back to XHTML.

Agreed about Tidy.

The final output format should be HTML though, not XHTML. XHTML will not
render at all in IE6/7 when served correctly as application/xhtml+xml. IE
will render it when served as text/html, but uses its HTML engine to do
so. That being the case, it's better to give it valid HTML to work with,
then to give it XHTML that relies on the HTML engine's error handling to
parse correctly.

sherm--

Um, what are you talking about? XHTML *is* valid HTML.

Not at all. XHTML is an XML application. HTML is an SGML application. The
two are not the same. For instance, this is valid XHTML, but not valid HTML:

<img src="foo.jpg" />

Are you sure that's not valid HTML? XML is a subset of SGML, and I
would think that <shortForm /> was valid SGML as well. <br /> is valid
HTML.

If you have to
lie about the content type, thats one thing, but XHTML should be used
going forward.

The fact that you have to lie about the content type is what makes XHTML
unusable for the WWW. You're delivering it as HTML, and it will be parsed
as such. Name spaces will not be parsed, and short-tag forms such as the
img example above will be handled as slightly-broken HTML, not as short
form XML tags.

It's called deprecation. Tell your users that they need the latest
browsers to see your site. I know that isn't always possible, but you
can say at a certain point that you're no longer supporting Mosaic and
Netscape 3 :-)

In other words, IE6 & IE7 don't see XHTML - they see HTML with a few funny
extra slashes here and there. That being the case, why not simply deliver
the HTML correctly, without the XHTML baggage to begin with?

Because you gain so much with using XHTML, including the fact that many
popular JavaScript libraries require XHTML-strict to work properly.
Next you're going to tell me that you shouldn't use CSS.

non-XML HTML has been deprecated

Nonsense. The W3C's HTML Work Group was resurrected, and the effort to
standardize HTML 5 was started earlier this year:

<http://www.w3.org/html/>

As explained in the "why" link, XHTML was a nice idea , but it didn't pan
out in practice because of dismal browser support.

, and the sooner
browser writers and content providers realize this, the better the
world will be.

Sometimes the latest hot ticket just doesn't work out. No sense getting
religious about it - just move on.

sherm--

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