Re: Eclipse: Folding Code Blocks More Specific Than Methods?

Daniel Pitts <>
Fri, 03 May 2013 20:46:55 -0700
On 5/3/13 1:53 PM, Steve wrote:

On Friday May 03 2:32 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:

No harm in being familiar with what "everyone uses". As long as you
don't use it only for that reason.

I used EMACS in college when everyone was using VI and I've used VSE for
the past 14 years where nobody at anyplace I ever worked was familiar
with it.

I used vi when everyone else was using notepad or MS write ;-)

Yup. I've paid for my own when my company wouldn't, but now my company
pays for it. They also have good "upgrade" licenses which reduces the
TCO over time.

I've paid for slickedit a number of times too. At least IntelliJ is
$100 cheaper.

Upgrading is discounted too if I recall. Something like $50 if you had a
previous version. If they're close to a new major release, the license
buys you both the current and the next.

The big features in IntelliJ I like is its automatic code completion. It
is extremely smart about types and scope, it also is camel-case aware.
For example, if there is a method MyFoo findMyFoo(), and I want the
following code written: MyFoo foo = findMyFoo(); The keystrokes I need
M-F (command-space) foo = (command-space); if there are other "MyFoo"
values (other variables or methods), then I need to differentiate
between them. It will provide a drop-down to show the ambiguity, but I
can type "fmf" or "fMF" to narrow it down to findMyFoo".

I take code completion in an IDE for granted. I've noticed that Eclipse
takes it to a bit more of a fancy level, similar to what you describe.

When I used eclipse, it had something similar to what IntelliJ had at
the time. IntelliJ's has improved significantly, to the point where they
reduced the confirmation step because they (rightfully) confident in
what they'd suggest to you.

I'm not a 100% sure that VSE is camel case sensitive, but I think it is.
  It just does so many things right that I take a lot for granted.

Next best feature: Automated Refactoring. Introduce
(constant/variable/method) are incredible. They will even automatically
find duplicate code which can be replaced by the newly created entity.
Extract Superclass/Interface are also awesome, but need a little more
oversight. Push members down/pull members up help with larger
refactoring tasks.

I've heard that Eclipse has something like this too. It sounds both
exciting and scarey.

It's a "power tool". Treat it with respect and you'll be fine. Treat it
causally and you'll end up without a thumb or worse ;-)

I realize I sound like I'm in IntelliJ sales :-). I just like the
product, but I could care less if anyone else uses it. Unless jetbrains
starts paying me for testimonials ;-)

I know what you mean. I've gotten a few bosses to buy a few copies.
Many years ago they even sent me a t-shirt for being such a fan. I
think I've sold about 5 iMacs, but Apple never sent me a t-shirt :)


Anyway, I encourage you to compare Eclipse with IntelliJ. I believe
IntelliJ is common enough. It probably doesn't have quite the
market-share that Eclipse does, only because it costs so much. IntelliJ
does have a decent community, and a free version.

I'd like to know if you do try them both, and how you feel they compare
both to each other and to slickedit.


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