Re: Agile Project Management

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Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:11:55 -0500
On 2/12/2012 10:08 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

Arne Vajh?j wrote:

On 2/12/2012 1:43 AM, simplicity wrote:

On Feb 11, 4:05 pm, Arne Vajh?j<> wrote:

On 2/10/2012 11:26 AM, simplicity wrote:

On Feb 8, 11:51 pm, Iqra Educational Portal
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Agile software development is an iterative, incremental approach to
developing and releasing software. A range of agile methodologies
emerged and they are based frequent releases, ongoing testing,
customer and stakeholder participation throughout the development
process, co-ownership of code and pair-programming.
iQRA?s Agile Exam will test your knowledge about Agile Development
including XP, and SCRUM techniques in the light of Agile Manifesto

Agile is garbage. Code before thinking.

All at the expense of quality but creates lots of "overhead" positions
for largely worthless project managers of all kinds.

Most agile processes does not specify overhead positions
and quite a few does not even include project managers.

I think you have completely misunderstood agile.

Misunderstood? I am judging from my personal experience. I was part of
agile development in 3 environments: small organization (< 40 people)
which was trying to implement it, mid-size and large - by large I mean

800 employees. Each was a failure in one aspect or another. And in

each, the common themes were (1) a blotted overhead, (2) questionable
quality, (3) lack of architectural consistency and (4) reoccuring
breaks of the old and often obscure features.

Interesting that when I raised these issues (with examples) during one
of the internal seminars on agile, the presented, some "big kahoona"
consultant on agile, quickly diverted into a different topic

The fact that 3 agile projects had large overhead is not
really an indication that large overhead is a given result
of agile.

I've also seen non-Agile projects with large overhead.


That said, for an 800 person project I would want strong architectural
control to ensure clean interfaces. It is very easy for a program that
big to get out of control and become unmaintainable.

I was focusing on the overhead and project manager aspect
in simplicity's post.

Architecture is another story.

Some agile developers think that architecture has no place
in agile.

You disagree.

I disagree.

Fowler disagrees!

For anything but a very small project an architecture is needed.

It is a prerequisite to start agile development.

Some parts of the architecture may change along the way. But that
is more a fact of life than an agile idea.

What may confuse some people to believe that they succeeded
without an architecture is when the architecture was given
and not done as part of the project because the basic
system was already in place.


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