Re: bundling efficiency, too good to be true?

Tom Anderson <>
Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:02:05 +0100
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

In article <>,
Tom Anderson <> wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Roedy Green wrote:

Everyone has seen that sending one big file works much more efficiently
than many small files. The effect quite astounding, many orders of
magnitude. It just occurred to me that I don't think I can account for
that huge difference. Where is all the time going?

TCP handshake, TCP slow start (look that one up if you don't know it),
roundtrips for control packets at the start of the connection. Losing a
bit of time can have a huge impact on throughput - it's all about the
bandwidth-delay product, which on today's long, fat networks is huge.

It then occurred to me, that any sort of technique to reduce the
difference could have a huge effect on the Internet as a whole.

Yes. It's called pipelining, and it's been in HTTP since 1999.

Although it's not that widely used by browsers, because of worries about
compatibility with servers, which seems a bit of a waste.

Browsers don't support pipelining because the multiplexer/demultiplexer
is too complicated for the average software engineer.

Opera - uses pipelining
Firefox - supports pipelining, not turned on by default
Konqueror - supports pipelining, not turned on by default
IE - does not support pipelining
Safari - does not support pipelining

I guess Opera, Mozilla and KDE all have above-average engineers.

Last I heard, Microsoft and Apache clients can't pipeline;

No surprise about MS. What's the Apache client? I'm not aware of a browser
made by Apache - do you mean some non-browser client? HttpClient, perhaps?


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