Re: Shuffled Poker Deck
"Daniel Dyer" <"You don't need it"> wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:36:11 -0000, Daniel Dyer <"You don't need it">
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:27:28 -0000, Daniel Pitts
<googlegroupie@coloraura.com> wrote:
Daniel Dyer wrote:
(http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/).
Hmm, There is a problem in their explanation:
"A deck of 52 cards can be shuffled in 52! ways. 52! is about 2225. We
use 249 random bits from both entropy sources (user input and thermal
noise) to achieve an even and unpredictable statistical distribution."
They are right about the 52! ways, but 52! is around 1.55e66, not 2225
The number of bits required to store that is 220, Ohwell.
I think that must be a typo. I'm certain I read that page before and it
said 225. I've done the same calculations previously and got 226.
Yep,
http://web.archive.org/web/20060505032523/http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/
They seem to have mislaid their <sup> tag.
Dan.
The problems with the explanation doesn't really affect the shuffling
algorithm, but if security issues are interesting to you, note that they use
SHA-1 which has been broken a couple of years ago:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/cryptanalysis_o.html
- Oliver
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