Re: Java Enterprise Edition evaluation

Lew <>
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:10:38 -0400
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I think that's quite enough, try servlets as well

I favor knowing how to tune a car before talking to the mechanic.

I'd start with JSP and servlets with Java Server Faces (JSF) and the Java
Persistence API. (I am just starting to learn the Persistence API. I
actually started with JSP, servlets, coding my own MVC framework and writing
my own data access framework.) That really makes one appreciate frameworks
like JSF, Struts, Persistence API, Hibernate or whatever, because now one
groks from first-hand experience what they're accomplishing.

Or failing to accomplish.

I've worked with people who knew the Struts API cold but didn't understand the
Model-View-Controller concept. It led to some peculiar choices.

I have doubts about many of these frameworks. I haven't used Hibernate, but I
worked on a project that used Torque, another "object-relational" framework.
Yecch. It's easier to just code PreparedStatements with JDBC. I found the
overhead of Torque egregious, and it restricted me from much of the power of
the database.


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