Re: Great SWT Program

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <>
Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:53:31 -0500
<475a1539$0$90273$> wrote:

On Nov 30, 10:51 pm, Arne VajhHj <> wrote:

Wrong on two counts. First, the OP was unclear whether he meant per
capita or just plain total numbers.

No. Rate is no total numbers.

You're not the OP. Don't presume to speak for him about what he did or
did not mean.

I can speak about what the word rate mean in english.

Try read:

the number of possible pairs in collision goes up


It bloody well does.


At least not what I replied you, but which you on your
usual dishonest fashion did not quote:

But I can quote it again:

# Second, the rate of interactions
#like this can be expected to rise quadratically with population rather
#than linearly,

                   If you're this mathematically illiterate, don't
bother posting to technical newsgroups again.

Neither predicted or observed behavior in the physical world are
part of the discipline called mathematics.

Hypothesis: deaths in traffic proportional with square of countries
population. If that is true then if you split a country in 10 parts
then the number of deaths in traffic will drop to 1/10's even though
the same people drive the same cars on the same roads the same miles.
That is obvious not the case. Conclusion: the hypothesis is wrong.

That's a straw man argument. It assumes that the states don't send
significant traffic beyond their own borders.

That argument is bogus.

Already today there are lots of traffic between countries.

                                        Actually, it's traffic
density that matters most,

So now we agree that your claim about death rate in traffic being
proportional to quadrate of population is wrong ?

                            and the US has some of the world's major
traffic-density hotspots, including the Los Angeles area with its
sprawl and tens of millions (I shit you not) of cars.

Western Europe has much more dense traffic than the US.

Europe has more citizens per square mile than US.

But they're less patchily distributed. The US has both big open empty
areas and enormously crowded little city cores, and at least one much
larger high-density area, the LA basin noted above. And it also has
more cars per capita.

Have you ever been in London, Paris or Rome ????

And traffic is often very cramped in European cities. They are old
and it is not possible to build new highways.

Which actually results in reduced car use, more foot and bike traffic,
and slower traffic. Slower traffic reduces accidents and even then
disproportionately reduces fatal accidents.

I think you are being very inconsistent: death rate in LA is higher
due to high traffic density but lower in Europe due to the same rate.

It is true that bicycles are more used in Europe. But do not assume
that reduces deaths in traffic. If a car hit a car then often all
the steel and airbags avoid deaths - if a car hits someone one a bicycle
there are not much protection.

Also, the M25 is a line. The LA area is a whole fucking two-
dimensional surface covered in cars moving every which way, to a first
approximation. Oh, and did you know that turns and lane changes and
intersections generate the vast majority of accidents? The density of
interconnection in the LA area means far, far more turns and
intersections, and far more lane changes too as people get into the
proper lane for an upcoming turn or exit.

You don't think M25 has exits ? Well that may explain the many
cars - they can not get off ..


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