Re: The Revenge of the Geeks

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Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:04:56 -0500
On 1/26/2013 5:15 PM, BGB wrote:

On 1/26/2013 2:57 PM, Lew wrote:

But you've been around this newsgroup a long, long time and by now you
really should have
found out some of this for yourself. Java EE is well documented and
the tools are free and open
source. So if you really had any genuine desire to understand the
concepts and goals of the
specifications, you'd've done so already.

I never really went anywhere near Java EE though...

Most Java developers work full time or part time in an EE
environment, but some does not.

We may have a tendency to forget about that. Please forgive us
for that.

I had always thought the relation was between Java SE and EE was more
like that between, say, "Windows 7 Home" and "Windows 7 Ultimate", IOW:
there are differences, but they largely do the same things in the same way.

then just suddenly realizing that this is not the case, but that they
are in-fact rather different things.

The terms SE and EE do give the wrong impression. For almost all
other products SE and EE means same type of product with different
feature set and different price point (SE support up to 4 CPU, do not
support clustering and cost 10 K$ - EE support up to 16 CPU, do support
clustering and cost 100 K$).

For Java EE is a server centric framework on top of SE that is
general purpose.

Java EE is like a high-level language, but for deployment and
connection of services. It's one of
those things that separates mere programmers from people who can solve
problems with software
systems. Its goals are deployability, scalability, ops-friendliness,
orchestration-ability (sorry :-)),
stability, and pragmatic leverage for useful software systems. It
encompasses a broad range of tools,
such as message queues, persistent storage, server clustering,
resource management, orchestration,
troubleshooting, and more.

well, but it is also apparently intended for network/internet stuff.

Web apps can utilize much of this. It is standard with clustering for
web apps and web apps require some support for HTTP, thread pool,
transactions etc..

in contrast to say, writing standalone apps for a desktop PC or an
Android phone or similar.

They may need some of those features, but typical not many.

there is not a single type of programmer, or software, and there are
many types of software which may have little to do with either business
or the internet.

Internet is quite common. But client side can use internet without EE.

like, say, if a person is developing a game on their PC or cell-phone,
is a lot of this stuff involved? probably not.


likewise, even for a small-scale website, it may not matter all that
much, if all it ever does is mostly serve up static content and files,
any is typically low-traffic (and, likewise, is served via a home
internet connection), ...

Even for a small scale web site the convenience of Tomcat over a
CGI-BIN could justify EE (or PHP or ASP.NET if Java is not a


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