Re: C++0x: release sequence

From:
"Dmitriy V'jukov" <dvyukov@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.programming.threads,comp.lang.c++
Date:
Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:28:26 -0700 (PDT)
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On Jun 17, 10:48 am, Anthony Williams <anthony....@gmail.com> wrote:

"Dmitriy V'jukov" <dvyu...@gmail.com> writes:

On 17 =C9=C0=CE, 00:27, Anthony Williams <anthony....@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking forward to next draft. Btw, what about dependent memory
ordering (memory_order_consume)? Is it going to be accepted?


Yes. That's been voted in too.


Oooo, it's a bad news. I only start understading current "1.10", and
they change it almost completely! :)


It's all additions, so it's not too bad. The key thing is that the
paper adds memory_order_consume and dependency ordering, which
provides an additional mechanism for introducing a happens-before
relationship between threads.

The latest proposal about dependent ordering is:
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2008/n2556.html
Right?


That's the latest pre-meeting paper. The latest (which is what was
voted on) is N2664 which is currently only available on the committee
site. It should be in the post-meeting mailing.


I hope that in N2664 'happens before' definition is changed. Because
now I can't understand it.
For example in following code:

int data;
std::atomic<int> x;

thread 1:
data = 1;
x.store(1, std::memory_order_release); (A)

thread2:
if (x.load(std::memory_order_consume)) (B)
  assert(1 == data); (C)

A dependency-ordered before B, B sequenced before C.
So according to definition of 'happens before' in n2556, A happens-
before C.
According to my understanding, this is simply wrong. There is no data-
dependency between B and C, so A must not happens-before C. (there is
control dependency, but currently C++0x doesn't respect control-
dependency)

------------------------------------
Another moment:

An evaluation A carries a dependency to an evaluation B if
    * the value of A is used as an operand of B, and:
          o B is not an invocation of any specialization of
std::kill_dependency, and
          o A is not the left operand to the comma (',') operator,

I think here ---------------------------------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
must be 'built-in comma operator'. Because consider following example:

struct X
{
  int data;
};

void operator , (int y, X& x)
{
  x.data = y;
}

std::atomic<int> a;

int main()
{
    int y = a.load(std::memory_order_consume);
    X x;
    y, x; // here 'carries a dependency' is broken, because 'y' is a
left operand of comma operator
    int z = x.data; // but I think, that 'z' still must be in
'dependency tree' rooted by 'y'
}

Where I am wrong this time? :)

Dmitriy V'jukov

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