Re: stl skipping algorithms

From:
"Tom Widmer [VC++ MVP]" <tom_usenet@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups:
microsoft.public.vc.stl
Date:
Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:04:03 +0100
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Simon Trew wrote:

"Tom Widmer [VC++ MVP]" <tom_usenet@hotmail.com> wrote:

an implementation of std::copy might use loop unrolling (e.g. Duff's
Device) to speed things up. Segmented iterator optimizations are another
possibility, where e.g. a deque or streambuf iterator can be copied with a
series of memcpy calls.

Tom


I wrote a function template to reverse bytes (for reversing network byte
order into machine order); it was templated on the size of the structure to
reverse. I used std::reverse by default, after some honest and necessary
reinterpret_casts. I don't want to get into too many details (no doubt I
will in any follow-up posts), but I was surprised to find that the VC2005
optimizer did not unroll the reversing loop even for the 8-byte case, and
IIRC it didn't even for the 4-byte case. I hand-rolled template
specializations for those cases, and other smallish multiples of 4, which
improved the performance enormously. (Our stuff is built on all our
supported platforms such that almost all structures/classes are padded to
have a sizeof exactly divisible by 4.) But it certainly made me wonder about
how good the VC2005 optimizer was with loop unrolling, and I chastised
myself for relying on it.

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary, but this would seem to be a very simple
case, almost a base case, yet VC2005 wouldn't unroll it.


 From reading, IIRC GCC is much better at loop unrolling. See
http://www.ddj.com/dept/cpp/184403799 if you haven't read it before.

Changing the subject a little, I found on Friday that the C++ Standard
Library shipping with VC2005 complains for a few library function templates
that take iterators as template parameters, if they are instantiated with
iterators not defined in the library-- e.g. raw pointers-- then if no traits
were defined for them, they won't compile.


That seems strange, since all pointers have iterator_traits (there's a
partial specialisation for pointer types).

  This was with a debug build and I

suppose checked iterator support, so perhaps it was to be expected, but even
in a debug build the library is supposed to be conforming, so should not
require e.g. iterator traits when the spec. is silent on the matter? Or
perhaps the response from (e.g.) PJ Plauger would be something like "then
don't use checked iterator support-- they're over and above what the spec
requires, but you need to have the traits defined for some of the library
function templates to work"-- which would be perfectly reasonable. I've
probably got this all wrong since I didn't get to the bottom of it and will
follow up my investigations on Monday, and try to give a potted example. But
one of the experts here might be able to correct me before I even have to
start.


Sounds like it might be a bug in the checked iterator support.

To change the subject once again, look at strcpy in the GNU implementation
for Linux on x86. A bizarre bit of C, that funnily enough happens to compile
down (with gcc) to an extremely tight bit of machine code-- it's kinda
reverse reverse engineering, making a bit of C that you know happens to spit
out the machine code that you wanted to write in the first place. Surprise!
When you compile it on Intel's 7 and 8 series compilers, it crashes because
the strings might not be aligned at 4-byte boundaries. Admittedly this is
down to a bug in those compilers that structures aren't always correctly
aligned, but we must stand back and wonder at the sheer bravado of
pretending to be portable (it's written in C and will compile on any
conforming C compiler) while actually being targeted to a particular
implementation and platform, and then crashing if strings don't happen to be
aligned on four-byte boundaries.


A good thing about being a standard library writer is that you can
depend on undefined behaviour, implementation defined behaviour, etc.

Tom

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