Re: Pattern for allocating array objects with embedded header?

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Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:43:44 -0800 (PST)
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On Thursday, 27 December 2012 14:27:41 UTC+2, Marcel M=FCller wrote:

On 26.12.2012 14:16, Paavo Helde wrote:

Marcel M=FCller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> wrote in news:50dacf41$0
$6637$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net:

  From time to time I could use objects that consist of a header and a=

n

array of items of immutable size. Doing this with two allocations is
straight forward, but has the drawback of another indirection on each
array member access and, of course, the additional allocation.


Let's see:

[...]

b) separate header and data (a la std::string), allocate header on stac=

k

(presumably header is small) and the data portion dynamically on the
heap:

std::string x("...");

Accessing the data:

x.c_str();

[...]

So it seems to me that b) is generally not worse than a) and with small
string optimization b) can do much better than a) in some circumstances=

..

So I do not see any actual reason to prefer a) over b) here.

 
In fact you say: use value types, they perform better.


std::string is not value type. It is a dynamic container of characters.

Maybe I should not have used a simple string as an example.


Certainly. Look at our faces. Do you see anyone who is not already bored
of all those QStrings CStrings wxStrings BSTRs and the like? Reinventing
strings is sure way how to attune enthusiasm down.

Notice the more likely usage example of your String class:

   String* mystr = NULL;
   try
   {
      mystr = String::create("bla bla", strlen("bla bla"));
      // ...
      // whatever C++ usage of mystr
   }
   catch(...)
   {
       delete mystr;
       throw;
   }
   delete mystr;

That is to achieve *minimal* exception safety. std::string has
thankfully removed the need for that crap at least.

Think of delivery documents with a reasonable large header. You do not
want to copy this over and over.


There are basically 3 ways to pass data ahead: to copy, to pass a
pointer/reference or to move.

Furthermore think of the case of optional references.
In my case I have in the order of 10,000 objects. Each of them has about=

 

30 references to other objects. All of them are optional. They are used=

 

sparse (~20%) and they often refer to the same object.


What are the "optional references"? A reference in C++ can not
be optional. You mean some textual reference like in scientific
publications ... or some sort of hyperlink ... or?

If each reference take let's say 10 machine size words instead of one
for the reference only, we are talking about ~50 MB additional memory.


Uhh ... 50 MB / (10 * 30 * 10 000) ... ~ 16 bytes. You got a platform
where "machine size word" is 16 bytes? sizeof(std::string) with short
string optimization is anyway nowhere 160. It is typically 32 or less.

The total memory of the application is restricted by the platform to
about 250 MB. So this is not a good idea.


So ... 128 bit platform ... with 250 MB memory? Very interesting.

For this reason I do not like the small string optimization very much.
At least not for immutable strings. It also prevents deduplication.


Do not use strings then for your "references". Use pointers. Or
smart pointers. Or ... if the references are very sparse then decouple
them from your objects into separate container and form a graph.
So "documents" of yours are vertexes and the "references" are edges.

In another case I have a B-tree with nodes. Each node consist of a
header and two dozen entries. Each entry is either a reference to some
external object or a reference to a sub node. Putting the header of the=

 

sub nodes into the parent (together with the reference to it's entries)=

 

would increase each entry and with them the size of the B tree
structures by about a factor 5.


I calculate what I calculate but can no way get factor of 5, sorry.
Maybe you use the term "reference" in too several different meanings
here or I misunderstand something obvious.

Compared to these two examples the overhead of an additional allocation=

 

for the header is low. But even better is one allocation (especially
with respect to cache efficiency).


10 000 allocations or 20 000? On typical platforms we are talking
about difference around 5 milliseconds. Not sure about your particular
cases but in general the allocations start to hurt when we have millions
of those.

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