Re: Diamond Shape Inheritance

From:
James Kanze <james.kanze@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:49:25 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 25, 10:56 am, Juha Nieminen <nos...@thanks.invalid> wrote:

amit wrote:

I was reading about diamond shaped inheritance on wikipedia.
=======================
In object-oriented programming languages with multiple inheritance and
knowledge organization, the diamond problem is an ambiguity that
arises when two classes B and C inherit from A, and class D inherits
from both B and C. If a method in D calls a method defined in A (and
does not override the method), and B and C have overridden that method
differently, then from which class does it inherit: B, or C?
======================


That's not really the problem with diamond inheritance. You
don't even need diamond inheritance, just multiple inheritance
without any common base class to get that "problem". Simply
have a function with the same name in both base classes you
are inheriting from, and you have an ambiguity. The solution
is that you have to explicitly specify which one you want to
call, ie. "B::foo();" or "C::foo();"


Yes and no. The article he's quoting isn't particularly well
written, so it's not that clear what they're talking about. But
without diamond inheritance, it only becomes a problem when you
try to call the function (on a D); with diamond inheritance, it
is a problem if you try to call the function through a reference
to A, and in C++, it is a problem because the compiler doesn't
know what to put in the vtbl, which leads to a compile time
error.

Of course, the answer is the same: if the compiler doesn't know
what to do, tell it:-).

The real problem with diamond inheritance is that if the base
class A has a member variable, should this member variable be
duplicated in D (once for B and once for C) or not? Should we
consider B and C completely independent classes with nothing
in common (in which case each has its own instance of that
member variable from A), or should the variables from A be
merged in D, so that they appear only once?


There seems to be a problem with vocabulary here. In C++,
unless there is virtual inheritance, there is no diamond. In
other languages, of course, inheritance may work by default like
virtual inheritance in C++. (That's the case of Java, for
example.) If the A base of B and the A base of C in a D object
have the same address, you have a diamond; if they have
different addresses, you don't.

The problem is not really on the user code side, but on the
compiler side.


Yes and no. The semantic is clearly different.

What kind of technologies should the compiler use in order to
achieve the merging? The problem is that the geometry of eg. C
will be different if it's instantiated as itself compared to
it being inside D, when D is instantiated. Yet eg. some
function could take a reference of type C, and you could give
it a true instance of C, or you could give it an instance of
D. Both are valid parameters to it. However, that member
variable from A is at different locations in these cases. How
can the function in question know where it actually is?

C++ solves this problem, but it requires for the user to make
the decision of whether he wants the members of A to be merged
or to be separate, and this is done by either inheriting B and
C from A in the regular way (the members of A will become
separate in D) or by inheriting B and C virtually from A (the
members of A will be merged in D).


You do want to support both. If B and C are implementation
mixins, for example, it's quite possible that you do want to
different A. One can argue about the default in C++, however.

Question 1:
But it still does not answer the question raised... Lets
assume Base class (Class A) has a function called show().
Lets assume Class B and C inherit A (virtually...) and
override the function show(). Now Suppose class D inherits
both B and C (making a diamond shaped inheritance) and we
call show(). Which show will be called ? B's Show or C'Show
?


This has nothing to do with diamond nor virtual inheritance.
It's just a question of ambiguity if both B and C have a
function named the same.


Consider the following:

    struct A { virtual void f() = 0 ; } ;
    struct B : A { virtual void f() ; } ;
    struct C : A { virtual void f() ; } ;
    struct D : B, C {} ;

That's perfectly legal code, and only causes problems if you try
to call D::f(). On the other hand,

    struct A { virtual void f() = 0 ; } ;
    struct B : virtual A { virtual void f() ; } ;
    struct C : virtual A { virtual void f() ; } ;
    struct D : B, C {} ;

won't compile (at least with g++, but I think it's correct). On
the other hand, add a final virtual overrider in D (so that the
code will compile), and then write something like:

    A* p = new D ;

and it's the version without the virtual inheritance which won't
compile.

In that case you have to explicitly specify which one should
be called by prefixing the function call with the class name,
eg. B::show();


You don't get to specify what goes into the vtbl.

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