Re: Order of Variable

From:
Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
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On Sep 13, 12:19 pm, "Johannes Schaub (litb)" <schaub-johan...@web.de>
wrote:

Joshua Maurice wrote:

On Sep 11, 2:10 pm, "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach
+use...@gmail.com> wrote:

* Johannes Schaub (litb), on 11.09.2010 22:54:

Now consider

#include<stdio.h>

struct A { double d; int x; };

void foo( int* a, A* b )
{
b->x = 1;
*a = 2;
}

int main()
{
A aha;
foo(&aha.x,&aha );
printf( "%d\n", aha.x );
}

Since int* and A* are clearly pointers with different referent type=

s,

at least the simplistic purported aliasing-based reordering rule
mentioned so far should allow reordering of the statements in foo,
causing output 1 instead of 2.

I don't believe it -- although I may be forced to if James ca=

n hark

up some reference (in which case the standard, IMHO, needs to be
fixed).


I don't believe that the Standard allows reordering this either. b->=

x

is int lvalue and *a is int lvalue too. Both are allowed to alias.


Yes.

And as I see it =A73.10/15 means that that's still the case when acces=

sing

A::x as B::x where B is layout-compatible with A (assuming same member
names for this example).


Then you would be alone on your interpretation. I don't have a C spec
handy, but for C++03, that is not the case.

This is what I can find on the subject in the standard itself.

C++03 standard, 9.2 Class members / 16

If a POD-union contains two or more POD-structs that share a common
initial sequence, and if the PODunion
object currently contains one of these POD-structs, it is permitted to
inspect the common initial part
of any of them. Two POD-structs share a common initial sequence if
corresponding members have layoutcompatible
types (and, for bit-fields, the same widths) for a sequence of one or
more initial members.
<<<<

The rule above only applies to PODs in a union.

C++03 standard, 9.2 Class members / 167

A pointer to a POD-struct object, suitably converted using a
reinterpret_cast, points to its initial
member (or if that member is a bit-field, then to the unit in which it
resides) and vice versa. [Note: There
might therefore be unnamed padding within a POD-struct object, but not
at its beginning, as necessary to
achieve appropriate alignment. ]
<<<<

The section above, especially with the (non-binding) note, pretty
clearly states that the C-style hack of inheritance may not work in C+
+. There might be unnamed padding which differs between different POD
structs.

Frankly though, this entire thing is a mess. When you compare the
guarantees of the two quotes, /which appear right next to each other
in the standard/, I don't understand how you can reconcile them in a
sane implementation. So, when the POD types are members of a union,
there's no difference in padding bits, but when the same POD types are
not members of a union, there might be extra magical padding bits.
What?


The result `offsetof` is necessarily determined by the type and member
inspected, so I don't believe that the offsets can be any different
depending on where an object is located at and as.

If we summarize the said paragraphs, my opinion is that one could conclud=

e

that one can indeed access "A::x as B::x".


That is reading into the standard, and picking and choosing facts. I
view it as inconsistent. As the intent does not appear rather clear, I
would just stay clear of the whole thing entirely if at all possible.
If not possible, I would check with my compiler vendors if I could, or
at least confirm some assembly output.

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