Re: Is this String class properly implemented?

James Kanze <>
Fri, 15 May 2009 02:05:45 -0700 (PDT)
On May 15, 6:40 am, "Tony" <> wrote:

James Kanze wrote:

On May 10, 2:28 am, "Tony" <> wrote:

James Kanze wrote:

On May 8, 3:02 am, "Tony" <> wrote:

James Kanze wrote:

On May 2, 12:10 pm, "Tony" <> wrote:

James Kanze wrote:

On Apr 29, 9:18 am, "Tony" <> wrote:

James Kanze wrote:

Millions of posts on USENET seem to contradict that statement.

In what way. The USENET doesn't require, or even encourage

But the underlying protocol is NNTP, and while I don't know
for sure, I have an incling that it is still a 7-bit protocol
(?). But that wasn't my point. I was suggesting that most
USENET posts in threaded discussion groups are ASCII (by
nature of the characters in use by the posts).

And I'm simply pointing out that that is false. Even in this
group, I sometimes have problems with postings, because the
installed fonts on my machines at work only support ISO 8859-1.
(At home, I use UTF-8, and everything works.) Which doesn't
have things like opening and closing quotes.

My postings are in either ISO 8859-1 or UTF-8, depending
on the machine I'm posting from.

You can call it what you want, but if it contains only ASCII
characters, then I consider it an ASCII post.

But that's never the case for mine. And I see quite a few
others as well where it's not the case. Even in English
language groups like this one.

I couldn't post them in ASCII, because they always contain
accented characters.

And that's your perogative. It's not English though and it
introduces complexity where it is not necessary.

I'm not sure what you mean by "it's not English". "Na=EFve" is a
perfectly good English word. And English uses quotes and dashes
(which aren't available even in ISO 8859-1) and other various
symbols like =A7 not available in ASCII in its punctuation. Not
to mention that a lot of groups handle mathematical topics, and
mathematics uses a lot of special symbols.

And of course, not all groups use (only) English.

Claiming that unnaturalized words are rationale for "Unicode
everywhere" is ludicrous (for lack of a better word that
escapes my mind right now).

It has nothing to do with unnaturalized words (and I don't see
where "na=EFve" is unnaturalized). It has to do with recognizing

My point was made just above. No need to drag locales into the
discussion. (My "locale" speaks English as the only language
(which has only 26 letters, BTW)).

And what does the number of letters have to do with it? French
also has only 26 letters. You still put accents on some of
them, and you still use punctuation.


'naive' has been naturalized into the English language and
does not have/does not require (unless one feels romantic?) an
accent. You were taught French, not English.

Merriam-Webster disagrees with you.

All of the ini-files I've see do allow accented characters.

Again, so? You are suggesting that because you are bilingual
or something that all quest for simple elegance be thrown out
the window? What is your point?! (Certainly it is not
engineering practicality).

My point is that software should be usable. And adapt to the
people using it, not vice versa. And that even in English, you
need more than simple ASCII. (At least, if you want to use
English correctly.)


As long as you're the only user of your programs, that's fine.
Once you have other users, you have to take their desires into

Don't get into politics, cuz you suck at it. Life is too short
to get bogged down in Unicode just because a trivial few feel
that English should be bastardized with unnaturalized ideas
like 'naive' with a diacritic.

Or quotes. Or dashes. Or any number of other things. And that
"trivial few" includes the authors of all of the major
dictionaries I have access to.

If you don't know English well, that's your problem.


I have to, because my comments where I work now have to be in
French, and French without accents is incomprehensible. The
need is less frequent in English, but it does occur.

Simplify your life: use English (for SW dev at least)!

If you've ever tried to understand English written by a
non-native speaker, you'll realize that it's much simpler to let
them use French (or German, when I worked there). Communication
is an important part of software engineering, and communication
is vastly improved if people can use their native language.

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