Re: Rationale for base class pure virtual function call from ctor/dtor being undefined behaviour.

From:
Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:08:40 +0000
Message-ID:
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On 16/01/2012 20:49, Paul <pchrist wrote:

"Leigh Johnston"<leigh@i42.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 16/01/2012 19:15, Paul<pchrist wrote:

"Leigh Johnston"<leigh@i42.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

A pure virtual function with a definition is not "just an Interface"; a
pure virtual function with a definition is simply a virtual function
that
must be overridden.


It's still a pure virtual function, but it provides a default definition.
However that default definition must be invoked from a non abstract
derived
class thus preserving the interface concept of PVF's.

   Just because a virtual function must be overridden does not mean that
it
makes no sense for its own implementation to be called within the
context
of the class's ctor or dtor; what makes sense depends on the overall
object oriented design of the system of which the virtual function plays
a
part.


Now wait, you have evolved to suggest that the PVF is now simply a
normal
virtual function that must be overridden but this is not the case.

A normal virtual function is inherited and thus can be overridden. With a
PVF there is no inheritence so it cannot be overridden, i.e:

class Base{
public:
   virtual void foo();
};
void Base::foo(){std::cout<<"Base foo...\n";}

class Derived : public Base{
public:
   //virtual void foo(){std::cout<<"Derived foo..\n";}
};

int main(){
   Derived d;
   Base* bp =&d;
   bp->foo();
}

The above shows how the normal virtual function is inherited and if
Derived::foo is uncommented it would override the Base::foo. But if you
make
Base:foo pure virtual, Derived won't inherit Base::foo at all. If
Base::foo
is pure virtual it must be *implemented*, not overridden, in Derived:


What garbage. My use of the term "overridden" is not incorrect and pure
virtual functions can be inherited.


You can't inherit the definition, if I am wrong show me some code that does
this.


Wrong; see below.

 From "C++ In A Nutshell":

"A derived class can override a pure virtual function and provide a body
for it, override it and declare it pure again, or simply inherit the pure
function."


This is talking about inheriting the pure virtual function, as a PVF without
a definition. This is not talking about inheriting and overridding the
definition of a PVF , which is what you were talking about.


No it isn't; you don't know what you are talking about as usual.
Whether or not a pure virtual function has a definition has no bearing
on the fact that it must be implemented in some derived class or on how
it is inherited. Some code:

struct foo
{
   virtual void f() = 0;
};

void foo::f() {}

struct bar : foo
{
   // does bar inherit foo::f()?
};

struct baz : bar
{
   virtual void f() { bar::foo(); } // yes, bar does inherit foo::f().
};

/Leigh

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