Re: Currently there is no serious alternative to C++

From:
woodbrian77@gmail.com
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Fri, 3 Apr 2015 22:47:27 -0700 (PDT)
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On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:59:36 PM UTC-5, Melzzzzz wrote:

That is my conclusion.
With C++11 & 14, I can't see any new language that can replace it.

My considerations:

1. rust:
- Compiling of compiler does take very long time because it compiles
libraries as single source and therefore does not utilize multiple
cores
- doing simple things require unsafe blocks and ugly unsafe code
eg:
/// Pop a mutable reference off the head of a slice, mutating the slice
to no

/// longer contain the mutable reference. This is a safe operation
because the

/// two mutable borrows are entirely disjoint.

fn shift_mut_ref<'a, T>(r: &mut &'a mut [T]) -> Option<&'a mut T> {

    use std::mem;

    use std::raw::Repr;

    if r.len() == 0 { return None }

    unsafe {

        let mut raw = r.repr();

        let ret = raw.data as *mut T;

        raw.data = raw.data.offset(1);

        raw.len -= 1;

        *r = mem::transmute(raw);

        Some({ &mut *ret })

    }

}

http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/program.php?test=nbody&lang=rust&id=1
I don;t think this requires comments...

2. go
- does not have templates, therefore there are tools to generate code
  from templates which is so 90es...


I think it's hip, but I'm working on something similar.

- optimizer is in infant stage.
- calls through interfaces are slow
- calls to external libs are very costly (this is remedied in gccgo,
  but than code isn't portable to standard go compiler)
- only good for server side programming that does not have heavy numeric
processing, because of slow code.
- java bits it hands down
+ could replace python, but no more
+ extremely fast compilation


I don't think Go will be able to put much of a dent in C++.

3. nim
- one man project
- small user base
- python/pascal syntax with indentation instead of {}
- buggy
+ compiles to c/c++ and obj c even java script


Why do you consider that to be a plus? It might be
too many languages.

+ templates and very innovative macros.
+ multi methods
+ supports both GC and manual memory management
- not nearly as good as C++ , yet, but promising


What language is the Nim compiler written in? I saw
something on Wikipedia about it being written in Pascal.
That might be considered a weakness.

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Brian
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