Re: Some errors in MIT's intro C++ course

From:
Christian Hackl <hacki@sbox.tugraz.at>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:42:29 +0200
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<i728jc$i55$1@news.eternal-september.org>
James Kanze ha scritto:

On Sep 11, 10:44 pm, Christian Hackl <ha...@sbox.tugraz.at> wrote:

I don't understand... actually, this was just about operator[]
vs. at(), and in both cases, the resulting crash won't
automatically point students to the wrong line of code, if
that's what you mean.


But the stack trace from the core dump will contain the wrong
line of code. Where as with an uncaught exception, it might not


I was thinking of the wrong line as the one which originally created the
error, which might not be the one in which the error is eventually detected.

Something like:

int last_element = v.size(); // <--- wrong line
v[last_element] = 1;

I meant "preferred form" in the sense that it is preferred
over at().


If the profiler says that you can't afford bounds checking (and
on most systems, it can only be turned on or off globally, with
a lot of other, far more expensive tests), then you can't afford
it, and you have to turn it off. In that case, however, you
generally can't use at() either.


Hold on, I was still talking about students in their first programming
course! :) If you tell them this early about profiling and different
ways of toggling bounds checking, then they will run away screaming and
give up CS...

(Of course, as a teacher you should be able to explain those things on
demand even in a beginner's class, even if you don't require students to
be familiar with any details.)

int main()
{
   std::vector<int> v;
   v.reserve(100);
   v[0] = 1;
}

If you compile this just with "cl test.cpp", then you probably
won't get a crash.


But if you use the IDE, with the default settings, you probably
will. (I don't have any compilers installed on my machne here,
so I can't check.)


OK, so the question is what to consider the default settings. Those in
the compiler itself or those the IDE invokes it with if you don't change
any options.

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