Re: What has C++ become?

From:
James Kanze <james.kanze@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:27:27 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<33deeda9-939a-4b01-a440-cc8cf34506fc@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

Noah Roberts <user@example.net> writes:

You're calling the STL "low level code" when it is, in fact,
high level code. The find_if algorithm, for instance, is a
high level algorithm that can be used with any data type
that obeys the iterator abstraction.


This is, of course, totally ridiculous. find_if is part of the
compiler---by definition, you can't get any lower.

No. find_if is low level.

Compare:

    Key k;
    std::vector<Element> v;
    std::vector<Element>::iterator end=v.end();
    std::vector<Element>::iterator found;
    found=find_if(v.begin(),end,boost::bind(&Key::equal,k,boost::bind(&E=

lement::getKey,_1)));

    if(found==end){
        doSomething(v,NULL);
    }else{
        doSomething(v,*found);
    }

vs.

    (lambda (k v) (do-something v (find-if (lambda (e) (equal k (get-key e=

))) v)))

And again, here I already used boost::bind; if I had to use the stl
instead it would have tripled the number of line.

And again, here I transposed directly. In this specific example, lisp
is even higher level (ie. more concise):

    (lambda (k v) (do-something v (find k v :key (function get-key) :test =

(function equal))))

You just cannot say tht the STL is high level. You only can
say that it is slightly higher level than pure C code. But it
doesn't qualifies yet as "high level".


That's a different argument. The STL doesn't attempt to furnish
application level abstractions, nor should it. By definition,
you can't have a higher level without a lower level; you need
something to build on. The STL may not be particularly well
designed for what it does, either, but that's orthogonal to the
question.

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