Re: Handling large text streams of integers

James Kanze <>
Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
On Apr 1, 8:47 am, Jorgen Grahn <> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:54:27 -0400, Victor Bazarov
<> wrote:

James Kanze wrote:


A lot of systems maintain the current position in the file
in an std::streamsize. Which means that
std::numeric_limits<std::streamsize>::max() is also the
maximum number of bytes in the file. And that there can't
be that many numbers, since each number requires at least
two bytes (one digit and a separator).

What if the "file" is actually a serial connection that,
like the Energizer Bunny, just keeps going, and going,
and... Will the system also try to keep track of the
"current position" on a socket, for example? I know, I
know, the OP asked about a text file...

I am obviously too lazy to check what the standard says about
std::numeric_limits<std::streamsize>::max(), but I hope it's
just a case of unfortunate naming and that it has to do with
seekable streams only (like James hinted at elsewhere).

I'd be very disappointed if you couldn't use iostreams with
"infinite streams", which (on Unix) includes pipes, (TCP)
sockets, /dev/random, ... I expect to be able to use
std::cin/cerr constantly for years.

Given that the standard doesn't require support for such
things, it doubtlessly doesn't say anything. Disk file
access (even without seek) often does involve the "current
position", at least internally. To quote from the man page
of "read" (the lowest level system function which accesses
the data) on Solaris:

     On files that support seeking (for example, a regular
     file), the read() starts at a position in the file
     given by the file offset associated with fildes. The
     file offset is incremented by the number of bytes
     actually read.

     Files that do not support seeking (for example,
     terminals) always read from the current position. The
     value of a file offset associated with such a file is

But also:

     For regular files, no data transfer will occur past the
     offset maximum established in the open file description
     associated with fildes.

Interally, the system maintains the position as a 64 bit
value. When compiling in 32 bit mode, std::streamsize is 32
bits, and files are opened by default in a mode which only
allows 2^32 as the offset maximum, so the limitation holds.
(The C++ standard library could open the files in a way that
would allow 64 bit seeks and reads, even in 32 bit mode.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't, since we've had problems with
log data being lost when the log file size was greater than

Generally speaking, a lot of systems allow files larger than
2^32 bytes, but compiling in 32 bit mode. In such cases,
several solutions are possible:

 -- If the system has two modes for accessing the files,
    like Solaris, the library code just uses the 32 bit
    mode, and the system behaves as if files couldn't be
    bigger than 2^32 bytes. I suspect that this is the most
    frequently used solution. (It's certainly the easiest
    to implement, if the system supports it, and I suspect
    that most systems, or at least most Unix, do.)

 -- If the system doesn't have such support, the library
    could keep track of the position as well, and simulate

 -- Alternatively, the library could either use a 64 bit
    type for std::streamsize (if one exists on the
    implementation) or define it as a class type, using 2 or
    more smaller integral types in the implementation, using
    whatever system requests are necessary to support full
    64 bit file positionning at the system level. In many
    ways, this would be the best solution. But if it means
    making std::streamsize a class type, it will probably
    break code. Incorrect code, since the standard doesn't
    require that std::streamsize be an integral type, or
    even that it reasonably convert to one, but such code
    exists, and is, I fear, widespread. (If the system
    supports long long, as most do now adays,
    std::streamsize could be a typedef to this.)

 -- Finally, I'm sure that some libraries just ignore the
    issue. If the system defaults to limiting the file size
    to 2^32 in 32 bit code, this is identical to the first
    case above. If it doesn't, then the library isn't
    conform---std::istream::tellg can return an apparently
    valid position, but seeking to it will not go to the
    right place. Still, conform or not, it wouldn't
    surprise me to encounter such a system.

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