Re: ADL / class-namespace question

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On 20 Jul., 16:07, Helmut Jarausch <jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
wrote:

can anybody please explain to me why the two statements marked ??? below
are rejected by current C++. Will there be any change with C++-0X ?

class X {
  int a;
  static const int Version=123;
public:
  X(int Ini) : a(Ini) {}
  static void printD(const X& Arg);

This is a static member function. It can only be invoked
via an object of this class (or derived of) or by a
qualification with the class name (or derived of).

I haven't heart of any movements to change this basic
idea.

};

void X::printD(const X& Arg) {
    cerr << "Version " << Version << " : " << Arg.a << std::endl;
}

int main() {
    X x(7);
    printD(x); // printD not declared ( why not found by ADL ? ) ???

ADL does not involve class members. I don't see a convincing reason
why it
should. If you want to realize such syntax you can use a free function
-
that's for what they are good for! (In this case this will be a friend
function,
if you don't want to use delegation)

using X::printD; // X is not a namespace : why not possible ???

Because a class scope is a closed thing and is not designed to
be pulled into some other space (except into the class scope of a
derived class). Put your entities into a namespace if that's what
you want.

printD(x);

X::printD(x); // OK

}

I'm not really convinced of the examples. There exist simple
approaches
to change your design to have the same effect, e.g.

namespace N {
  class X {
    int a;
    static const int Version=123;
  public:
    X(int Ini) : a(Ini) {}
    static void printD(const X& Arg);
  };
  inline void printD(const X& Arg) { X::printD(Arg); }
}

int main() {
    N::X x(7);
    printD(x); // OK

    using N::printD; // OK
    printD(x);

    N::X::printD(x); // OK
}

There is nothing wrong in using free functions. In
contrast: They seem to become more popular
nowadays. E.g. the new C++0x thread components
that provide the functionality of the current thread
are free functions in a separate namespace:

namespace std {
  class thread;
  namespace this_thread {
    thread::id get_id();
    void yield();
    template <class Clock, class Duration>
    void sleep_until(const chrono::time_point<Clock, Duration>&
abs_time);
    template <class Rep, class Period>
    void sleep_for(const chrono::duration<Rep, Period>& rel_time);
  }
}

HTH & Greetings from Bremen,

Daniel Kr?gler

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