Re: , definition of "used" for templates

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Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:51:02 CST
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On 7 Okt., 20:03, "Johannes Schaub (litb)" <schaub-johan...@web.de>
wrote:

Jiang wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:18 pm, Daniel Kr?gler <daniel.krueg...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

On 6 Okt., 13:06, Jiang <goo.mai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Is the above supplied program ill-formed because a definition of "f"
is missing ([basic.def.odr]p3)? If the program is valid, is there
wording that supports it?


The program is well-formed, since in 14.7.1 we have:

  "Unless a function template specialization has been
   explicitly instantiated or explicitly specialized,
   the function template specialization is implicitly
   instantiated when the specialization is referenced
   in a context that requires a function definition
   to exist."


What you are referring to is a statement that applies to function
templates, but it does not apply to a non-template function.
The wording is not specified in a form that enforces a
compiler to realize a dependency analysis before assuming
that it can build-up references to entities.

For the same reason the following program is ill-formed:

extern int x;

template<typename T>
void g() {
  int v = x;

}

int main() { }

This program requires the definition of x, even though g() is
not instantiated. The requirements for this are satisfied:

a) x occurs in a context that does belong to a potentially-
evaluated expression.

b) Within this context x appears in an expression where
it does not satisfy the criteria for a constant expression.


Seems we have different understanding for "evaluated
expression". A string literal expression appears in
source code does not necessarily make it a truly
evaluable expression.

But I must say the standard should make it clearer
that whether the dead code/expression in non-instantiated
template is unevaluated expression or not.
(According to my [possibly wrong] reasoning, they are
unevaluated expressions)


This was my impression/reasoning too. But I suddenly realized that this somehow
is not reflected by the ODR it seems :(

I mean, what rationale would exist to make this so? Uninstantiated templates do
not contain code, so why should stuff they refer to be considered used?


I'm quite sure that this is intended for the same
reason that invalid-code in template (Nikolay Ivchenkov
presented several examples in previous postings)
is ill-formed. The rules do support parsers with
very little intelligence. Richard Corden's quote
of 14.6/7 breaks basically all of these examples and
it "harmonizes" with 3.2. I agree that the rules
could impose stronger requirements on compilers, but
that's as it is ;-)

HTH & Greetings from Bremen,

Daniel Kr?gler

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