Re: sorting 5million minute data: choose std::list or std::vector

From:
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++
Date:
11 Feb 2011 11:51:32 GMT
Message-ID:
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James Kanze <james.kanze@gmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 10, 9:33 pm, Leigh Johnston <le...@i42.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/02/2011 19:15, James Kanze wrote:

Live with the fact that C++ provides unsigned integral types.


Live with the fact that they were designed for very specific
uses, and not as a generalized cardinal type. (At least
according the Kernighan and Richie.)


  I suppose that signed and unsigned ints exist in C (and hence in C++)
because the most common CPU architectures of the time could handle the
CPU registers as either signed or unsigned integers (usually using the
2's complement format, which was the easiest and most logical way of
handling binary registers from the point of view of the hardware).
This idea of the same registers being handled as either signed or
unsigned became so ubiquitous that basically all CPU designs today do
so (I'm not aware of any exceptions; if there are, they are probably
extremely exotic and probably obsolete nowadays).

  From a program design point of view whether to use signed or unsigned
integers is an interesting and very ambiguous question. Usually there is
no speed difference between the two, so the question is purely one of
program design and/or need.

  The two opposing arguments could perhaps be summarized as:

1) The signedness of the integral type should be chosen according to
the meaning of the variable. If negative values are nonsensical, then
an unsigned type should be used to reflect this.

2) When dealing with integer math, signed values are the natural choice.
Unsigned integers should generally be used for more low-level, more
"hardware-level" programming, such as direct bit manipulation or
situations where the modulo behavior of hardware registers is actually
intended and explicitly desired (one good example of this being the
implementation of a linear congruential generator of the size of the
natural register size of the architecture).

  In my personal experience argument 1 presents practical problems
because such unsigned integrals are often used (sometimes inadvertedly)
in expressions which mix them with signed types, causing implicit
promotions with their inherent problems, requiring explicit casting
to avoid them.

  I have already mentioned this example, but I think it's rather telling,
and it has happened to me in practice in several occasions: Image
dimensions is something that one could argue can never be negative and
hence unsigned integrals should be used. The problem is that these
dimensions are then very easily used in expressions where they get mixed
with signed types (such as screen coordinates), the result of which then
gets promoted to floating point. You easily end up in a situation where
your coordinates end up accidentally in the billions, and this is
something that might not be evident immediately, but only after
extensive testing, and not even after that.

  The problem is easily solved by having all the variables as signed.
There's little reason to have image dimensions as unsigned, as there's
seldom any benefit (an image with dimensions so large that it cannot be
represented with a signed integer would usually be so large that it
would not fit in RAM).

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