Re: Threading Model = "Both" query

"Igor Tandetnik" <>
Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:06:33 -0500
"Dinesh Venugopalan" <> wrote in message

I have a global pointer to an object whose threading model is "Both".

"Both" doesn't mean the object's pointer may be freely passed between
apartments. For that, you need to also aggregate free-threaded
marshaller (FTM). "Both" only means that the object lives in whatever
apartment created it originally. But once created, it belongs to that

TestLib::ITestBothClassPtr spBoth = NULL;

DWORD WINAPI ThreadProc1(LPVOID lpParam);
DWORD WINAPI ThreadProc2(LPVOID lpParam);

int _tmain(int argc, _TCHAR* argv[])
   DWORD dwThreadId = 0
   HANDLE hThread =
   hThread = CreateThread(NULL,0,ThreadProc2,NULL,0,&dwThreadId);

This is illegal. The object was originally created in an STA, and you
are passing its pointer to MTA without marshalling. Moreover, the STA
thread that created the object is already dead, taking the object with
it I believe. So you are calling through a dangling pointer to a
non-existent object.

   spBoth = NULL;
   return 0;

DWORD WINAPI ThreadProc1(LPVOID lpParam)

You are making a COM call after you've already uninitialized COM. This
is illegal.

   return 1;

DWORD WINAPI ThreadProc2(LPVOID lpParam)

You a) making a COM call without initializing COM first, and b) using a
COM pointer from a "wrong" thread without marshalling.

   return 1;

It does not matter what threading model we follow.
1. Here the second call to spBoth->Test() in ThreadProc1 works though
I are calling it after CoUninitialize().

You are violating COM rules, but you just happen to get away with it.
Just because it appears to work doesn't mean it's a good idea.

It would be interesting to also print from the object's constructor and
destructor, and see if any calls arrive after the object has already
been destroyed.

Also ThreadProc2's
spBoth->Test() works properly. According to me both these calls
should have failed. Can anyone tell me why?

You have a direct pointer to the object. The call is a regular virtual
method call. No COM infrastructure is involved to check whether the call
is legal. But of course you are calling the object in a manner that it
stated it didn't support (by specifying a particular threading model).
In real life, the object may fail in strange and mysterios ways
(especially an object you didn't write yourself).

2. If I stop calling CoInitializeEx in the primary thread the second
call to spBoth->Test() in ThreadProc1 as well as spBoth->Test() in
ThreadProc2 crashes. Is COM doing something special for primary
thread of an application?

If I recall correctly, in WinNT and above, if a main thread joins MTA,
all threads that didn't explicitly call CoInitialize[Ex] also
automatically join MTA. This is an undocumented feature, it's not a good
idea to rely on it.

3. In the main thread I commented off CoInitializeEx and
CoUninitialize(). In the thread ThreadProc1 I commented off the call
to CoUninitialize() and in ThreadProc2 I added CoInitializeEx and
CoUninitialize(). Here spBoth->Test() crashes in ThreadProc2.

CreateInstance fails in thread 1 (since COM is not initialized), so
thread 2 calls through NULL pointer. Try printing the value of the
pointer before every call, to see for yourself.

What is the point of this exercise? Why are you interested in finding
out how precisely your program breaks if you violate COM rules? Why not
just follow them?
With best wishes,
    Igor Tandetnik

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