ORMs comparisons/complaints.

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Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net>

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Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:05:34 -0800

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Hey everyone,

This is cross-posted to cl.java.programmer and cl.php.

I've been doing some thinking about my experiences with various ORMs,
both positive and negative. I find that I often stretch systems to
there limits, and end up doing a lot of meta-programming to solve
problems that I've always felt should have been solved by the core
libraries. Mostly to follow DRY and KISS principals in the core
business code.

I'm curious if others' have found the same things I have, or if they've
been satisfied doing things other ways, and if so what ORMs they use.

I've had experience with the following Java ORMs:
    * Hibernate (version 3, using Annotations for instance)
    * Ibatis (many years ago, don't remember the version. around 2006)
    * Straight JDBC. Not exactly an ORM :-)

And then one non-Java ORM: Doctrine, which is modeled after Hibernate,
including most of its flaws, but missing some of its features.

So, my question to the groups, what ORMs have you used, and what did you
like and hate about each of them? I'm not trying to start a flame war,
so please keep it to personal experiences with projects which used them.

I'm interested in use-cases from simple small one-off applications to
complex enterprise-level systems, and highly-scalable systems.

Please include details like "it's easier to maintain <x> type of changes
with our approach, but <y> is very difficult" etc...

Thanks for your consideration,
Daniel.

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