Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints.
On 1/2/2014 6:36 AM, Silvio wrote:
On 01/02/2014 04:19 AM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
On 12/30/2013 8:38 AM, Silvio wrote:
On 12/30/2013 05:27 AM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
On 12/23/2013 7:25 AM, Silvio wrote:
Most places they are actually able to get ORM working.
I am not quite sure that I can follow you.
If you want OO for the code and you want the relational database,
then you must do a mapping between the two.
You can either hand write a lot of code or use an ORM.
Typical using an ORM is faster because it means less code.
You may not be able to use ORM 100%, but then use it 90% and
hand write code for the remaining 10%.
ORMs are good at what they where invented for: serializing an object and
resurrecting it at a later point in time.
Storing objects in a relational database via ORM is very different
from serialization (for non-trivial usage).
A serialization stores everything in a sequential stream of data.
Storing objects in a relational database via ORM store the stuff
not already stored in different tables.
Using a document store have some similarities with serialization.
I meant serialization in the more general sense. I am not talking about
Object(In/Out)putStream but about saving the exact state of an instance
to some addressable storage with the main purpose of restoring its state
later.
That is not the way the term serialization is normally used.
But it is a common requirement for both ORM and plain JDBC.
That means you have to design
your system and its underlying data as a collection of objects with
(encapsulated) member data. Using that approach the lifetime of an
object instance must be able to extend the actual running span of the
program. That requires serialization/resurrection by definition.
No.
It requires the ability to save and load data.
No, not data but instances. My point is that these are fundamentally
different.
Not really.
A data class as typical used by ORM's does contain data as the term
"data class" implies.
Arne
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