[OT - Speliling in newsgroups] Re: SYNCHRONIZING problem

Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:27:09 GMT
adrian.bartholomew@gmail.com wrote:

On Mar 17, 12:34 am, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:

adrian.bartholo...@gmail.com wrote:

...> 1st off. ur prima donna attitude sucks. this is still the internet. a

that was designed WITH shorthand in mind. trust me, u will be hard
to compete proper english grammer with me.


I don't usually get involved in the grammar fights - I just don't
respond to postings that seem to me to be unnecessarily unreadable.

However, this quote contains two factual statements that I don't agree with:

1. This forum is comp.lang.java.programmer, a USENET newsgroup. When I
started using USENET it was based on UUCP. The Internet is just a
convenient means of communicating with a server and for servers to
exchange articles, not essential to a distributed newsgroup system.

2. Can you supply some evidence for the proposition that the Internet
was "designed WITH shorthand in mind."? The Internet protocols seem
to me to be completely neutral about grammar and spelling in the text
content of packets.

I've only noticed a high level of use of your style of shorthand in
the last few years. From both the timing and its nature, I assumed it
was related to the spread of text messaging using devices with crippled
text input, such as cell phones.


interesting twist.

So why didn't you bother to reply to either of my specific points on the
history and nature of newsgroups?


it is extremely funny to me, coming from a british background in
education, to be corrected by an american, whose constant bastardizing
of the english language sets off many heated debates around the world.
americans have changed spelling and pronunciations (note...not
pronounciations...as is so the american way) that really should not be
changed. for eg. the coveted "our" suffix (the plural of which is
"suffices" and not "suffixes") that make the language beautiful has
been changed to "or" in many words and conveniently left as is in
some. the "r" in "hour, for e.g., was never meant to be pronounced,
hence the spelling. listen to any well bred person in any english
speaking country other than america.

I am English, but live in California. The fact that you seem to think
I'm American is a nice demonstration of the quality of my American
dialect writing.

I use American spelling in contexts where American is the more
conventional dialect. That includes newsgroups where the majority of
readers are likely to be more familiar with American, business writing
within US-based corporations, academic papers submitted to American
publications, and e-mail to my American friends.

I switch my spell checker over to English spellings when I'm writing to
my mother. She can read American, but is more familiar with English. The
point is that, because my objective is to communicate, I try to make my
writing as readable as possible for my audience.

i CAN spell and am impeccable with my grammar when i need to be. and
this is not that place. what seemed funny to my previous critiques
(which brings to mind the bastardized "check" as opposed to "cheque",
a whole "nuther" word), was still me not caring about the
correctedness of my typing text online. i was not trying to be
grammatically correct. that was the whole point. they just didnt get
it. i dont care.

I know you don't care.

wise men walk all the way around a tree to end up right back at the
beginning, much the wiser. Miles Davis once said, learn all u can
about ur instrument. everything there is to know about it. then forget
everything u learnt.
at that point, u need to prove no more. feel.
who cares about if i use shorthand. they can all FEEL what im saying.
this...is true understanding.

No, I feel the meaning when I look at conventional English or American
writing. To read what you call "shorthand" I have to slow down and sound
out individual letters and words, just the way I did when I was learning
to read. Even then, there is often some guesswork involved.

not the forum for this topic, i apologize.

thanks for listening Patricia.

So how about responding to what I wrote?[


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