Re: Turning off JIT Optimisation

Patricia Shanahan <>
Sun, 16 May 2010 18:10:51 +0800
Daniel Pitts wrote:

On 5/15/2010 2:42 PM, markspace wrote:

rossum wrote:

IIRC even if you switch the computer off
if the attacker cen get its memory chips into a freezer quickly enough
the memory may be recoverable for up to 20 minutes.

This is utterly bogus. There's no way any temperature change short of
(perhaps) absolute zero is going to have any effect on the minuscule
charge stored inside a d-ram. No way, no how.

And I sincerely doubt that "stand-by" retains any information at all,
unless it swaps memory out to disc.

Except there has been research into this. Shut-off memory circuits
state decays slowly enough at room temperature, and even slower if
blasted by a cold substance (such as turning a can of "canned air" on
its head). I read about this in a few places, including Communications
of the ACM. I don't have the exact reference handy though.


I've also heard a talk on this subject, and have some practical
experience with DRAM going on working briefly even with refresh disabled.


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