Re: The Revenge of the Geeks

From:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Newsgroups:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:37:50 -0500
Message-ID:
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On 1/26/2013 11:54 PM, BGB wrote:

On 1/26/2013 9:11 PM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:

On 1/26/2013 8:47 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:

On 01/26/2013 04:47 PM, BGB wrote:

On 1/26/2013 8:12 AM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:

On 1/26/2013 12:31 AM, BGB wrote:

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FWIW: I once messed briefly with XML-RPC, but never really did much
with
it since then, although long ago, parts of its design were scavenged
and
repurposed for other things (compiler ASTs).


XML-RPC never really took off. Instead we got SOAP.


I don't really like SOAP...

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I don't know anyone who does, I know I don't. Still, it's what we've
got. For well-designed operations and schemas it's not that verbose, not
appreciably worse than JSON. Having WSDLs and the ability to validate is
useful, although over the years I've come to believe that WSDL-first is
an abomination unless the project is extremely structured and
disciplined.

SOAP is also - still - the only game in town for various security and
transactional tasks, even if aspects of WS-Security are atrocious. For
true web services I'd use REST almost always, because SOAP actually
isn't much to do with the Web at all. But if I need application
security, encryption of portions of a message, non-repudiation,
transactionality etc,and I'm really doing RPC, I'm using SOAP.


Standards are rarely optimal.

But a standard is a standard.

SOAP got the tools support and all the standards that
build on top of it.

We can either accept it and live happy with it or invent
a time machine and go back to around 1998 and tell a few
people from IBM and MS how it should be done.


or just blow it off and do whatever...

like, standards are useful so long as they are useful, but otherwise,
unless there is some greater reason (mandatory inter-op or orders from
above), why bother?

like, unless is better for the project overall (or otherwise benefits
the developers in some way), why not just go and do something different?


Because in the big picture compatibility is important and
the potential improvements are not.

Arne

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