Re: diamond operator

From:
Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:18:00 -0500
Message-ID:
<jll97d$7b1$1@dont-email.me>
On 4/5/2012 1:34 PM, Lew wrote:

Arivald wrote:

It will be better to provide "auto" type detector, like in C++. For
example, instead of: Map<Integer, List<String>> map = new
HashMap<Integer, List<String>>(); use: auto map = new
HashMap<Integer, List<String>>();

...and "map" variable will be resolved at compile time to
HashMap<Integer, List<String>>.

This allow very handy construct, like:

auto data = SomeService.getProviders();


If 'auto' is a type, it should begin with an upper-case letter. If
it's not, you should explain what you intend.


The `auto' comes from C++11, where the type of the variable is defined
to be the type of the static value being assigned to it [1]. It is a lot
more powerful in C++, where the language can define some obscene, opaque
hidden types whose exact signatures are left unspecified by the
specification. The largest set of these are the STL iterators, where
iterators look like `std::map<A, B>::iterator', but, when expanded, tend
to be a class with five or six template parameters and a name with way
too many underscores to be sane. The following all refer to the same type:
std::map<A, B>::iterator
std::_Rb_tree<A, std::pair<A, B>, std::_Select1st<std::pair<A, B> >,
std::less<A>, std::allocator<std::pair<const A, B> > >::iterator
std::_Rb_tree_iterator<std::pair<A, B> >

Given that A and B can be very long types themselves, it quickly becomes
obscene just to write a simple for each loop, although C++11 also
introduces a version of for-each loops that ameliorate this.

The other reason for auto is lambda expressions: the type of a lambda
expression is "a unique, unnamed class that has the following
properties", much as the actual type of an anonymous inner class in Java
is a unique, unnamed class which is only guaranteed to inherit from some
method.

This idea is incompatible with the current direction of type
inference, which is in the other direction, and with Java's strong
typing philosophy, and apparently the Powers That Be disagreed that
your idea is better, as they didn't implement it.


The C++11 auto keyword is still fully strongly typed. It's meaning is
best described is "the compiler already knows the precise type of this
variable, and I know what I can do with this type, but I don't want to
spend 15 minutes fighting the compiler to figure out what the right type
actually is." In C++, because of the magic of templates and typedefs,
you can actually spend several minutes just trying to figure out how to
tell the compiler the proper name of a type.

In short, auto is not a matter of dynamic versus static typing, it's a
matter of implicit versus explicit typing. C++ has a fairly complex type
system that has lots of edge cases which happen surprisingly often,
while Java's type system is cleaner, even if you throw in generics.
Given also that I suspect templates are much more abused than Java's
generics, I don't think the auto is as useful in Java as it is in C++.

[1] If you really want to play language lawyer, it's the same type for
the initializer expression as would be derived for template argument
inference.

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