Re: Sun rejects IBM buyout, IBM withdraws offer

From:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:08:57 -0400
Message-ID:
<49dbeb13$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
jharby wrote:

On Apr 7, 11:16 am, Lew <l...@lewscanon.com> wrote:

jharby wrote:

I think if you look into the JCP you'll find Sun really still owns it
for the most part.

Lew wrote:

That is consistent with what Arne said and does not affect his
conclusions.

jharby wrote:

Read it again and connect the dots.

Ooh, snap! You are the master of rhetoric!

I notice that you don't present any hint of evidence or logical
argument that your statement in any way contradicts, or even affects
the points that Arne made.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't understand what
you said, nor even that I'm wrong. You have absolutely no basis to
conclude that I failed to "connect the dots", as you so cutely put
it. Now I suggest that you follow your own advice.

Here, I'll help you:

jharby wrote:

If IBM were to own Sun and therefore the majority of the JCP, I think they could do "much". It
would take a lawyer to really say but I guess they don't show up here
too often.

Name me one open-source project not owned by its copyright holder.

What is the point of your fear-mongering?

Sure IBM could do much if they owned Java. So can Sun right now,
since they already own Java. So what?

Do you really think either company will kill the goose that lays the
golden eggs? And now that the product is open source, neither one can
kill the language if the programming community doesn't want them to.

Nothing in the ownership of Java invalidates the points that Arne
said.


I've posted this link numerous times on these groups:

http://www.jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/JSPA2.pdf

Now is this agreement for participation in the JCP between one party
and some independent organization or does it say "Sun Microsystems"?
As I said I was really looking for someone
with the legal knowledge to interpret these docs.


It only means that SUN does the paperwork.

Decisions about JSR's are made by the executive commitee.

Where SUN only has one vote meaning that SUN can be voted
down.

In fact SUN has been voted down. I remember at least one
occasion.

And since the voting results are public, then you can check
yourself.

Arne

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