Re: Java vs C++

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Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid>

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Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:20:52 -0500

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On 02/06/2011 09:00 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

In message<iimnes$dh2$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Joshua Cranmer wrote:

It's a macro generator that understands types and is heavily integrated
with the syntax of C++, but it is basically a way to automatically
generate code.

You seem to be confusing one particular way of implementing
generics/templates with the way the language feature is specified. Java
generics could be implemented by a preprocessor that spat out first-edition
Java code, for that matter. In fact, it effectively does, since the JVM
seems to know nothing about generics. Would you then say that third-edition
Java is nothing more than a ???macro generator????

I make a minor distinction between syntactic sugar--a language feature
which is designed to replace specific syntax features for ease of coding
(e.g., for-each loops)--and macro processing, which is generally
unrestricted code or text generation. Generics are syntactic sugar, in
that it only generates code in a "few" select places as opposed to
wholesale code production.

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