Re: Java performance

From:

Knute Johnson <nospam@rabbitbrush.frazmtn.com>

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Date:

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:39:36 -0800

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Patricia Shanahan wrote:

Lasse Reichstein Nielsen wrote:

Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <lrn@hotpop.com> writes:

Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> writes:

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:21:55 -0800, Knute Johnson
<nospam@rabbitbrush.frazmtn.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

The coming JRE is going to have greatly improved startup performance.

https://jdk6.dev.java.net/6uNea.html

"The Quick Starter feature will prefetch portions of the JRE into
memory, substantially decreasing the average JRE cold start-up time
(the time that it takes to launch a Java application for the first
time after a fresh reboot of a PC)."

Sounds like they are loading a pre-loaded RAM image to get the basic
classes going. Yea! I have been asking for this since day 1.

That, or they are making yet another "QuickStart" that loads and takes
up memory at boot time, whether you use it or not.
It can sit next to Office QuickStart, Firefox Quickstart and a
gazillion other programs that think they are so important that
you have to start everything but the GUI every time you start
your machine.

Ack, I was hoping I was wrong. And I was, although only slightly so:

"The fix, then, is for us to take advantage of the disk cache to make
sure that the memory pages on disk that we must read at startup have
already been loaded before we need them. How do we do this? We cannot
magically pre-load the pages just prioir to launching; unfortunately,
the VM currently lacks the ability to see into the future to detect
when the user will be launching Java (we would love to have this
feature in the future, but it is not yet present). But we can
pre-load at some earlier time, such as Windows boot or login
time. And we can keep the pages warm in the disk cache as machine and
memory conditions allow."

From
<URL:http://weblogs.java.net/blog/chet/archive/2007/05/consumer_jre_le.html#Quickstarter>

They do load everything into memory, only cache memory instead of
program memory. And they then keep hitting the pages to ensure that
no cache algorithm gets to do its job.
That's just being egoistical. I bet every application wants to be
loaded from RAM. Well, at least I get to turn it off.
/L

One of my former jobs was project leader for the paging supervisor on a
virtual storage operating system. The described "feature" makes me
cringe. If every application did this, we would be forced to buy enough
memory for everything to run simultaneously, rather than just for the
maximum set of things we want to do at once.

Patricia

Isn't that Windows Vista :-).

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