Re: HashMap get/put
Peter Duniho wrote:
Mike Schilling wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote:
I know what I suspect: since HashMap (and Map) pre-date generics in
Java, the types already have an overload that takes Object as an
argument. Due to the decision to reuse the existing implementations
for the non-reified generics feature in Java, there wasn't any
feasible way to eliminate the possibility of passing an Object
(thus the compile-time assurance I mentioned earlier isn't really a
benefit available in Java), and absent that there just wasn't a
strong argument _against_ allowing Object as an argument.
Not true. The same feature of generics that controls the arguments
to put() could have controlled the argument to get(). A deliberate
decision was made to have get(Object) instead of get(K) [1], and
reification has nothing to do with it.
Perhaps you're simply misunderstanding what I'm saying. It's not true
that what I wrote is not true.
In .NET, for example, there is _no way_ to call the Add() method of a
generic collection without providing an element of the correct type.
Not even using reflection can it work.
Right. Reification gives you that.
In Java, you have type erasure. As long as you're dealing with
generically-declared accesses to the data structure, you have the
protection of the specific declared type. But this is easily
circumvented. There's no way at compile time for Java to _guarantee_
that you haven't misused the type, never mind at runtime.
To the extent that this is a risk, we just live with it for methods
that modify the collection. Java protects us as best it can, and you
have to go at least a little out of your way to circumvent the type
protection.
But for harmless scenarios where there's not necessarily even a data
corruption/runtime error consequence, and some might see some benefit,
they've actually exposed the typed erasing as part of the primary
generic API. My suggestion is that the reasoning might be that since
some people might actually _want_ to do this, and there's no way to
100% protect against it, they went ahead and opted for slightly more
utility.
OK, I see what you're saying now, and I can't categorically call it untrue.
Clearly the designers thought that someone might want to do that, since they
didn't make the slight effort that would have prevented it. But I don't see
any evidence whether they would have made that same decision with a newly
created, reified collections framework.
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