Re: Sorting TimeZone

From:
Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@sun.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:01:29 -0500
Message-ID:
<1257346874.318907@news1nwk>
Wojtek wrote:

Eric Sosman wrote :

Wojtek wrote:

Lew wrote :

Lew wrote :

  Map <TimeZone, String> map =
    new TreeMap <TimeZone, String> ( new Comparator <TimeZone> ()
{ .... } );


Wojtek wrote:

No arguments that this does work.

However I was replying to your statement "'TimeZone' can easily be
a map
key, yes, even for a 'TreeMap'. " which appears to say that you do
not
need a custom Comparator:


Even though I had explicitly mentioned a custom Comparator in the post
to which you were replying? Come on, now. Your explanation is
disingenuous at best.


To me a 'key' is the part which goes into the 'K' part of Map<K,V>.


     Yes, that's right.

For a Comparator, the signature is Comparator<T> where the 'T' refers
to a 'Type':
http://www.j2ee.me/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Comparator.html


     ... which means only that the K in Map<K,V> is the same as
the T in Comparator<T>, or is a subclass/subinterface of T. You
shouldn't read too much into the particular letters chosen to name
type parameters; the names are as arbitrary as those of method
parameters, and carry no deeper meaning.

     Does Map<String,String> bother you, because String == String
but K != V? If not, K != T shouldn't bother you, either, even if
you have a Map<Book,Date> and a Comparator<Book> with Book == Book.


Semantics!

We work in a precise field. An extra semi-colon can make a world of
difference (brought down a phone system a few years ago).

So yes, the labelling DOES make a difference. Whereas a Book is a Book,
where it is used does change its meaning. So in Map<Book,Date>, Book is
a key and in Comparator<Book>, Book is a Type.

Otherwise the Javadoc author would not have made that distinction.

It is used differently. As a key, it must provide its own comparison
methodology. As a type, the Comparator makes the comparison, possibly
using an external conversion such as I18N.


     I can only guess that your definition of "key" is unlike any
I've encountered before. And, as mentioned before, that you attach
entirely too much significance to the choice of a letter to name a
formal parameter. <Shrug.>

     The rest of us will (when appropriate) use Comparators to key our
SortedMaps on non-Comparables, or to key them using something other
than their "natural order." You, I guess, will bemoan the impossibility
of what the rest of us are doing ...

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Eric.Sosman@sun.com

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