Re: Alternative to Eclipse

From:

"Dale King" <DaleWKing[at]gmail[dot]com>

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comp.lang.java.gui,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools

Date:

Wed, 6 Sep 2006 09:39:20 -0400

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"evadnikufesin" <evadnikufesin@gmail.99999.com> wrote in message
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On 5 Sep 2006 08:58:36 -0700, Enigma wrote:

Can you point out any IDE's which are already conformant to the JSR.

Since Oracle proposed the standard, I'd imagine JDeveloper already
conforms
to it:

http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/htdocs/techinfo/JSREclipse.html

The take I get from reading that is that it has nothing to do with promoting
any kind of standard way of writing plug-ins, but is more taking a shot at
Eclipse. It looks to me like Oracle doesn't like the competition from
Eclipse and is trying to push through a standard that Eclipse cannot meet
without a complete tear-up requiring all plug-ins to be rewritten. It looks
like they got a few others that don't like the competition from Eclipse
(NetBeans, IdeaJ, etc.) to go along with them. It almost seems to border on
collusion to design a standard whose sole purpose is to exclude your major
competitor.

It looks like JetBrains (the maker of IdeaJ) later pulled-out of the effort:

http://www.orablogs.com/duffblog/archives/001014.html

That entry also seems to lend credence to the notion that JSR198 was an
anti-competitive measure against Eclipse: "I find this JSR ... important
because plugin architecture is the only plus of eclipse and by unifying it
in IDEs like IDEA, Netbeans or JDeveloper ..., we would get ... some more
competition and inovation in the IDE area."

From googling around it looks like this is a controversial topic.
--
Dale King

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