Re: Aspect questions?

From:
Lew <noone@lewscanon.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.java.programmer
Date:
Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:28:05 -0800
Message-ID:
<jigp0l$ejo$1@news.albasani.net>
On 02/27/2012 10:37 AM, Novice wrote:

Lew<noone@lewscanon.com> wrote in news:jif5gv$ih$1@news.albasani.net:

Novice wrote:

Assuming that project Foo has a single package, com.novice.foo and
three classes, hickory, dickory, and dock, class hickory's logger
would be "com.novice.foo.hickory", class dickory's logger would be
"com.novice.foo.dickory" and class dock's logger would be
"com.novice.foo.dock".

Is that right now?


Yes.

Only do follow the naming conventions:

com.novice.foo.Hickory
com.novice.foo.Dickory
com.novice.foo.Dock

...

... Each class is going to be getting it's own logger with

Logger logger Logger.getLogger(getClass().getName());


...

Yes, every class is already in one or another named package and has
been for a long time. I'm still struggling a bit over which classes
belong in the SAME package and which should not.


As Patricia said, just make a decision and refactor later if you
decide to.

My thinking is that classes in the Common PROJECT should also be in
packages that are distinct from the packages used for Projects Foo or
Bar, which will have names like "com.novice.foo" and
"com.novice.bar".


Usually. You have to think of the consequences and decide if they're
the consequences you intend.

I'm using separate packages now so that
similar things are together. (That just feels like the right thing to
do but so far, most of my "feelings" have been wrong!)


It's the right thing to do. Now find a rationale why - there is one,
since it is the right thing to do. That way if pressed to explain your
feeling you can.

Right. That is gradually sinking in, believe it or not! In fact, I'm
just about ready to replace all of the existing nonsense that I've
been doing with a

Logger logger = Logger.getLogger(getClass().getName());

in all my classes.


That's pretty much the idea I'm promoting, save for concerns of
appropriate scope as discussed upthread.

So I want to end up with all of my classes in all of my Projects
writing to a single log?


No.

Hmm. Yes, I suppose that makes sense. I need to review the whole
"inherit" aspect of logging but I've been thinking of one logger
equating to one log and that's not right, is it? See, the penny is
dropping....


A logger is an object that writes to a log. There's no essential
reason the ratio should be one to one. Au contraire, just like
everything else in Java it's reasonable to expect multiple pointers to
point to one thing and multiple writers to write to one output.

Let me ask you this. In your favorite windowing OS, don't you have
many programs each of them writing to a screen? Don't they all write
to the same screen? You don't have a separate monitor for each
program, do you?


Of course not; all programs share the same monitor. (Or would share two
if I had a double-headed setup.)

Which is why I'm surprised to see you say "no" when I asked if all of my
classes in all of my projects should write to the same log. Your analogy


All of your projects writing to the same log is like everyone's computer
sharing one screen.

Is there only one computer screen in the world that we all share for our projects?

suggests that the loggers should all write to the same log. But I know
you wouldn't deliberately be that self-contradictory. So there's a subtle
distinction you're making that I'm not quite seeing....


It's not subtle, that is, unless you consider a piano falling on your head subtle.

Lots of loggers but only one log.... Yes, I need to get my head
around that and think of how that works. Maybe rereading that logging
overview will make that sink in....


Or thinking about many arrows hitting one target.


That works too.


Are there not many targets at the archery range?

...


in my sandbox class. And that revealed something that surprised me: the
println() wrote "null". Clearly, and much to my surprise, my class isn't
seeing logging.properties and therefore isn't following its instructions.
That explains a lot!

My best guess is that it is seeing a different logging.properties file
than the one I want it to use but maybe it simply isn't seeing any
logging.properties at all and just defaulting in its behavior.

Now I need to figure out how to make it see the logging.properties file.


Put it in the place in the classpath that matches the location specified in
the 'getResource()', use a "-D" parameter to the "java" command as suggested
upthread, study the Javadocs for 'getResource[AsStream]()'.

--
Lew
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