Re: clone method call non-private, non-final methods

Eric Sosman <>
Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:45:24 -0400
puzzlecracker wrote:

On Jul 23, 9:29 am, Eric Sosman <esos...@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:

puzzlecracker wrote:

I saw it in the Effective Java book, though understanding still eludes
me (I suspect it goes on par with the constructor's contract). I don't
see implications whereby clone calls some public method to copy parts
of the object, resulting in the disaster or the end of the world sort
of a thing. Can someone illustrate that?

     Are you sure you've read the prohibition correctly? I can
think of no reason to avoid calling public methods in a clone()
implementation, although there are excellent reasons to avoid
calling overridable methods, the same reasons to avoid calling
them from constructors. Are you sure you haven't read "public"
where EJ actually says "non-final?"

Yes, he refers to public (In clone chapter, 2nd edition), because, as
you said, they can be overridable.

     I only have the first edition; perhaps the text has changed.
Note, though, that public does not imply overridable, nor does
non-overridable imply non-public. They are different beasts:

    public void method1() {
        // public and overridable

    public final void method2() {
        // public, but not overridable

    void method3() {
        // non-public, but overridable

    final void method4() {
        // non-public and not overridable

    private void method5() {
        // non-public and not overridable

As method1() through method4() illustrate, access and overridability
are mostly independent. method5() shows why it's only "mostly:" the
method can't be overridden because subclasses can't even see it, much
less override it. (A subclass can define its own method5(), but it's
not an override: it's an entirely independent method. If the superclass
calls method5(), it always gets its own method5() and not the one in
the subclass.)

What is the issue with that?

     If an overridable method is called from a constructor or as part
of clone() or of deserialization, the code that runs might belong to
an overriding subclass and not to the superclass being dealt with at
the moment. This lets the subclass' code "see" its own superclass-ness
in an incompletely initialized state, a source of surprises that are
seldom pleasant. I think EJ discusses this point somewhere, but my
copy is not within reach at the moment.


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