Re: Ranting about JVM's default memory limits...

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Date:
Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:24:52 -0400
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Tom Anderson wrote:

The problem is, in a garbage collected language, how do you set it
automatically?

In a manual memory management system, it's easy: if you run out of free
memory, you request more from the OS, because that's the only thing you
can do.

In a GC system, though, you always have the option of doing a
collection. So, if you run out of memory, do you grow the heap or
collect? How do you decide? You could say that you always collect, and
only grow the heap if that doesn't free enough memory, but that means
your app will always be running with nearly-full memory, which means
it'll spend a lot of time doing GC, which is not so hot. You could
instead have a rule about having a certain amount of free memory - say,
if memory is more than a certain percentage full after a full GC, grow
the heap. But then you just replace one parameter with another! I guess
at least it's a parameter which is more likely to have a sensible
default that will work for all apps and all points in history, which
maximum heap size doesn't.

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's not trivial.

And i suppose this is really about the decision about when to grow the
heap, which java already has to make, not about maximum heap size.


Exactly.

I am pretty sure that Java today runs GC before reaching Xmx.

Arne

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