Re: Design patterns

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Date:
Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:36:29 GMT
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In article <hh9t05$5m3$1@news.albasani.net>, Branimir Maksimovic <bmaxa@hotmail.com> wrote:

Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2009-12-27, Branimir Maksimovic <bmaxa@hotmail.com> wrote:

Joshua Maurice wrote:

On Dec 26, 3:01 pm, Branimir Maksimovic <bm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Stefan Ram wrote:

Jonathan Lee <cho...@shaw.ca> writes:

But I'm having a small problem finishing it. Anyone know of a
pattern for the above problem?

  Sure, just implement it as a GPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Problem_Solver

Hm, back in 1987. my math teacher showed us mathematical proof that
algorithm for creating algorithms can;t possibly exist.
It is based on proof that algorithm for proofs can;t possibly exits
,

too...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems

That's why blue brain project is bound to fail.
Because anything which is based on algorithm cannot
be creative...

Interesting implications there. Almost brings a religious context to
the whole discussion. (That is, are humans "simple" chemical machines,
or do we possess a "soul"?) Suffice to say, you are greatly
simplifying the issues involved and jumping the gun.

I think that this does not have to do anything with soul.
Fact is that algorithm cannot think and that;s it.


This is not a fact, but an open question in artificial intelligence
research.


If you say so...

Human consciousness and intelligence does not works
on algorithm.


Assertion without evidence.


Evidence is that in mathematic there is no algorithm to proof valid
logic formula.

Quantum physicists believe in a finite state universe. If consciousness
is embedded in a finite-state universe then it means it's part of a
finite state machine, ergo ...


This is also assertion without proof. Fact is that set of all
valid second order logic formulas is not even recursively enumerable set.

But that is not so interesting; what's more provoking is the possibility
that consciousness could be encoded in a lot fewer states.


No one knows what is consciousness yet...


Sorry to interfere here, but I can tell you that those
that experience it "know" what it is.

Not sure if you heard of such a thing as awareness.

Sure, as far as science goes, they do not know what consciousness is,
and it is not even in the cards. It like knowing God or Truth,
which is simply WAY out of scope of this domain.

Yes, you CAN have some taste of it.
But to know it, you have to be it, nothing less.

Hope you don't mind THAT much.

Plain fact. We can invent algorithm,


Not all of us, just a small minority.


Everybody invents algorithm , that does not
have to be algorithm for computers...
For example simple algorithm to shop some
thing...

but algorithm itself can;t produce previously
unknown algorithm.


Obviously, an algorithm whose purpose isn't algorithm invention doesn't
invent algorithms.

Genetic programming is an concrete example of algorithms inventing
algorithms.


Genetic programming ? Could you provide example algorithm
creating algorithm, that is not in no way encoded in that algorithm?

This is mathematical fact....


ROFL.


?

Greets


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