Re: Design patterns
In article <hi0tl9$oha$1@news.albasani.net>, Branimir Maksimovic <bmaxa@hotmail.com> wrote:
Joshua Maurice wrote:
On Jan 5, 3:41 pm, Branimir Maksimovic <bm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Nick Keighley:
I was trying to remember where I first came across the godel argument
"disproving" AI (Weinburg?). It sounded BS then and it sounds BS now.
p1) machines must operate by a fixed algorithm
p1a) and hence are bound by godels result.
p2) people do not have to operate by fixed algorithm and hence are not
bound by godels result.
conclusion: people can do things machines can't do
well, woopy doop. I didn't accept p1 and p2 originally. Now I'm not
convinced p1a is even applicable.
It's like winning a race by disqualifying the other contestants.
Hm, this is very OFF TOPIC, but p1 is false, and p1a is meaningless (it
doesn't follow even if p1 were true, it's a category error). p2 is
meaningless.
p1: is false : machines have to operate on algorithm,
since there is no algorithm for creativity...
follows that
p2 :) people's creativity is not based on algorithm...
You may continue to claim by fiat that people are creative, and that
creativity is the ability to create an algorithm to solve any solvable
problem. I will continue to note that you are claiming this by fiat,
and I will continue to disagree that people can create a solution
algorithm for any solvable problem. At least, I will continue to doubt
it until presented with some argument which is not fiat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_%28knowledge%29
Greets
Well, when you deal with issues of nothing less than Intuition,
good luck.
Just one point on this:
"The intuition is the pattern-matching process that quickly
suggests feasible courses of action."
Not true. There is no analysis in intuition.
It is an instantaneous REVELATION,
totally discontinuous as far as state of the system goes.
"The analysis is the mental simulation, a conscious and deliberate review of
the courses of action".
There is no analysis. It does not apply.
You can not possibly have a "course of action" towards somehing,
you do not know yet. Action is forever directed. Directed towards
something you already know one way or the other. You have to have
some "goal". It has to exist somewhere.
Otherwise, where are you going towards.
What is your direction?
And the only direction I know of is direction of Truth,
THAT ... WHICH ... IS.
That is all you can do...
Forever trying to discover that, which already is,
even though not in the domain where you are in at teh moment.
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