Re: WaitForSingleObject() will not deadlock

From:
"Alexander Grigoriev" <alegr@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups:
microsoft.public.vc.mfc
Date:
Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:01:07 -0700
Message-ID:
<et8OZwDvHHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
I just checked pthread_mutex_lock description
(http://node1.yo-linux.com/cgi-bin/man2html?cgi_command=pthread_mutex_lock).
Sorry, this page comes on a lively gray (RGB=192) background. I wonder whay
not green on brown, that would be even cooler.

You won't believe me, but Posix mutex also provides non-recursive option,
which is an example of design by a commity (or design by a management). I
mean, there is even no reason to put it into the picture, because it still
posesses thread affinity (you should not unlock it from another thread), but
you cannot acquire it recursively (you'll deadlock). There is also
"error-checking" type, which checks agains recursive locking, or unlocking
by wrong thread. Anybody tell me, why any other variants besides a recursive
one were invented?

You also cannot use pthread_mutex across processes. This is just a
CRITICAL_SECTION rough equivalent.

"Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer@flounder.com> wrote in message
news:hl1g83lpj6rdk46sonnc2gnigaobai4plr@4ax.com...

Two weeks ago, I taught my Systems Programming Course, in which we use
mutexes in the lab
on Thursday. I also teach about critical sections. Last week I taught
our Device Driver
course, in which I taught what a mutex is. As well as spin locks, fast
mutexes, and
executive resources. I suspect I actually understand what a mutex is.

For example, you asked a question which clearly shows you do not undertand
recursive
acquisition semantics, one of the fundamental properties of a mutex. I
quote from your
post:

if (WaitForSingleObject(mutex, INFINITE) == WAIT_OBJECT_0)
 AfxMessageBox("acquired", ID_OK);
if (WaitForSingleObject(mutex, INFINITE) == WAIT_OBJECT_0)
 AfxMessageBox("acquired", ID_OK);


You got two message boxes, which is EXACTLY what you should see happen!

Now, if I say :"this would violate the fundamental design of a mutex to
have this
deadlock", and it is obvious that it does not deadlock, it is almost
certainly because I
understand how mutexes work. You are insisting that it *should* deadlock,
and this shows
you do *not* understand how a mutex works.

What you are asking violates the fundamental design of a mutex. I would
suggest that you
are the one who doesn't understand them. Of course, had you actually read
the
documentation on a mutex, you would have seen the paragraph that says (and
I have pasted
this from the MSDN documetation on CreateMutex):
================================
"The thread that owns a mutex can specify the same mutex in repeated wait
function calls
without blocking its execution. Typically, you would not wait repeatedly
for the same
mutex, but this mechanism prevents a thread from deadlocking itself while
waiting for a
mutex that it already owns. However, to release its ownership, the thread
must call
ReleaseMutex once for each time that the mutex satisfied a wait."
=================================
So you are asking how to create a situation that violates the fundamental
*documented*
design of a mutex, and I told you that your suggestion violates the
fundamental design of
a mutex; your response is that I have a limited understanding of what a
mutex is, so
please explain exactly what part of a mutex I don't understand?
joe

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:40:28 -0700, Frank Cusack <fcusack@fcusack.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:05:58 -0400 Joseph M. Newcomer
<newcomer@flounder.com> wrote:

You can't, it is impossible; it violates the fundamental design of a
mutex!!!!


You obviously are limited in your understanding of what a mutex is.

-frank

Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP]
email: newcomer@flounder.com
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