Re: Garbage Collection - The Trash Begins To Pile Up

From:
"Le Chaud Lapin" <jaibuduvin@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
comp.lang.c++.moderated
Date:
31 Dec 2006 15:26:04 -0500
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Mirek Fidler wrote:

GUI for their own language, C#, they cleaned things up considerably,
thus reinforcing the erroneous perception that C++ is inferior to C#.


Well, the best thing I always liked about C++ is that it is a kind of
flexible "proto-system" that can be adapted to various uses. In this
C++ is of course vastly different from C#, which the "language of .NET
platform", so usually two are considered as one.


Me too. We should come up with a good name for this principle. I have
been saying that the C++ abstraction elevator allows you to go from
basement to rooftop with minimal impediment.

Adopting all your suggestions as standard C++ library parts would lead
into the same decadent state that is current lowdown with std::string
(or in my opinion, more or less the rest of standard library) - you
have some canonical part of language that you cannot fix anymore.


Agreed. That's why I am always hesitant to let anyone use my code.
Change is inevitable, and there will always be someone to come along
and do it better, so I try to keep expectations low.

Ironically, 5 weeks ago, in a moment of desperation and excitement, I
had lust for another programmer's library, a Big Integer class. I have
one of my own, but it is incomplete, in when I saw his interface, it
looked like I would have written it, only better (very disturbing to
see someone using the exact same member names you would have used). I
begged for a sneak-preview. I offered to "Use then lose." I even
tried to bribe him. He said no. :(

It is however true that instead of erroneous comparison between C++ and
C#, one should rather compare C++ based complex frameworks (like Qt,
wxWidgets or U++) and .NET. (And of course, I think U++ would easily
win such comparison, but that is just my personal strongly biased
opinion ;)


I took a look at your site: http://www.ultimatepp.org/

It is clear now why we share some of the same philosophies regarding
heapophilia (nice term BTW). You've been down Big System Lane too, and
you know that regularity of objects, letting them take care of
themselves, RAII, etc., is the only way to maintain sanity when the
system starts to become massive.

I'll experiment with U++. At the very least, you're not using GC to
clean up any messes.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

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